Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 01:18:34PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > I thought you were genuinely interested in solving this "issue". > Isn't it in the interest of the members of the list to take part in > ONE ballot, having ALL sensible suggestions to choose? Frankly, your > refusal to include th

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: > You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the > glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software > are common on other unixes. Maybe what he was saying, but that's obviously not the real issu

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-14 Thread Raul Miller
#x27;t have any concrete suggestions here). I suppose another idea would be to just remove BSD from the name -- maybe substitute in something "berkeley-ish" whatever that might be... -- Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Fwd: Debian/BSD survey....]

2001-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:54:04AM +0200, Fabbione wrote: > > (1) Which BSD would you prefer to use as a base? (Free, Net, Open) > > Well the one that can be ported to many platform as possible. Agreed. However, in principle, there could eventually be multiple BSD ports, if we can find the ftp a

Re: Is it _really_ dead?

2000-11-03 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 04:11:17PM -0400, Mark W. Eichin wrote: > And there we disagree... anything less than proper dependency-aware > upgrade simply doesn't count. This is a *hard* problem which is why > so much of the value of dpkg is in the "interesting" cases it > handles. It would be nice

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-02 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 04:11:01PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > What do you think the port maintainer does? Actually, one thing I've been wanting to do for awhile is build a variant install (or, more likely, a wrapper for install) which registers what it does in the dpkg database. The package nam

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-02 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 10:09:57PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > What did Jolitz write? On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 03:32:30PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > Bill Jolitz fathered 386BSD. Which, as I understand it, was the starting point for NetBSD, FreeBSD and OpenBSD. -- Raul

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:22:55AM -0600, Dan Potter wrote: > >] apropos jail > jail(2) - Imprison current process and future decendants > > This is different, it's a FreeBSD 4.0 kernel-based thing. It's much more > powerful than chroot but similar. It's chroot plus it restricts root's > capabiliti

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 09:46:15PM -0600, Dan Potter wrote: > I don't think this would address the issue properly either. For one thing, > there are some pieces to the system that simply have to be FreeBSD > binaries, like the kld* utils. You're right. Though that's a fairly constrained case and

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 07:56:04PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > Are you suggesting to use the linux compatiblity mode to make > mismatched worlds and kernels less of a problem? I'm not seeing the > logic in that. The context is how to produce a debian/bsd system. Someone suggested that the changes

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 07:51:45PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 07:36:52PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > Perhaps fork is the wrong term for a split which occurred because > > the primary author did a rewrite. > > Primary author of what? What did

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 10:27:34PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > This is presuming that the issues can't be dealt with in libc [or in > > the linux compat library.] On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 04:16:37PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > Every issue can be delt with, in some way. If y

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-02-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 04:11:09PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > Free/Net would unfork? There never really was a fork per se. > after Jolitz abandoned 386BSD, people posted patches for everyone to use. > > Eventually these patch kits became two OSs- neither forked from another. Perhaps fork is the

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-01-31 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 10:13:05PM -0600, Steve Price wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Raul Miller wrote: > > # Anyways, given this supposedly wonderful support for linux binaries, > > It _is_ wonderful! Have you ever tried it? It works fine on most applications, but it's mis

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-01-31 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 06:26:44PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > Read my essay at http://bugg.strangled.net/debbsd.txt Hmm.. on Linux this issue is mostly dealt with in the C library. > I explain why Debian / FreeBSD could be bad to everyone, including > existing FreeBSD users. This is presuming

Re: Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea

2000-01-30 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 01:52:49PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote: > It isn't a bad thing. But the UNIX way always has been put the > software that is part of the base OS's into /usr, and software > installed over it into /usr/local. > > Considering with Debian you have a hodepodge of packages from > di

Re: Debian BSD.. cool idea!

2000-01-30 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 03:33:03AM -0600, Dan Potter wrote: > : Ahh, but that's just the thing! ;-) All that stuff in the main tree _does_ > : come from the distributor -- which in this case is Debian. This is > On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 04:37:46AM -0500, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: > No, it's bundled

Re: Progres?

1999-11-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > Well, Debian diskspace is already blowing out (for the archive, not > > for installed systems). If the emulation works just as well, we can > > save a lot of time by not recompiling. On Fri, Nov 19, 1999 at 10:02:07AM +0100, Per Lundberg wrote: > Well