Re: [Fwd: retiring]

2004-08-10 Thread Joel Baker
est wishes to everyone else, > > Nathan Sorry to see you go, and many thanks for all that you've done. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,''`. Debian GNU/kNetBSD(i386) porter

Re: bsd make

2004-08-04 Thread Joel Baker
. AFAIK, the Debian bsd-make started life as FreeBSD's make (mostly, anyway); the fact that a port of the current FreeBSD make fixes the problem is just more evidence that these packages are prone to fairly rapid evolution, and we probably don'

Re: libpmount for Hurd and kNetBSD

2004-07-20 Thread Joel Baker
ly using. Dropped on my TODO list unless someone else wants to grab it first. Certainly this should help sanitize a lot of... interesting... issues. I expect that this will be obvious on looking at it, but does it support arbitrary filesystem types (such as union mounts

Nienna is (once again?) online

2004-04-19 Thread Joel Baker
state, figuring out how to handle things that come from other sources in the Linux world and which exist as Essential packages, and other such fun things. But hey, look at the spiffy RSS feed. Which will have more than one item on it at some point, I promise. :) -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Autobuilder update

2004-02-08 Thread Joel Baker
is the source package that was used to compile the libc in the origional chroot, right? -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: Autobuilder update

2004-02-08 Thread Joel Baker
can fix... #3 probably needs some assistance from someone > more familiar with libc. I don't recall what the problem was with #2. > > As an aside, in case it's not obvious, the apt in my reposit

Re: NetBSD Autobuilder is running

2004-02-01 Thread Joel Baker
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:34:56PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 03:11:13PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:55:12PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Here are the packages I have so far. Note

Re: NetBSD Autobuilder is running

2004-01-31 Thread Joel Baker
he libc12 package (netbsd-libc source) should provide libc. Things that have just "libc6-dev" and not "libc6-dev | libc-dev" are almost always worthy of having a bug filed... -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Sources for existing builds?

2004-01-26 Thread Joel Baker
fraid), they probably aren't anywhere at the moment. Yet another of the reasons I want to clean it up and start over fresh, once the hardware is freed up; having stuff without source is nasty. :/ Though there isn't much. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Got it working! (sorta)

2004-01-25 Thread Joel Baker
et update > > E: Unable to determine a suitable system type > > > > (This is 0.6.18) > > > > So I need help there :-) > > This is almost certainly because you don't have netbsd in the ostable > file in the apt sources. You need to get your h

Re: Got it working! (sorta)

2004-01-25 Thread Joel Baker
weird in failing to detect it as a the Debian sub-flavor of NetBSD, is that your uname -v *must* have a certain value, involving 'Debian/NetBSD' as part of the full name. I'll try to sit down and pull this out of stuff on the current build box, later today or tomorr

Re: debian-bsd.lightbearer.com back on the air

2004-01-24 Thread Joel Baker
obvious trouble spots (or, at the very least, whether it appears to be semi-local to this end, or closer to that end). -- Joel Bake

Re: debian-bsd.lightbearer.com back on the air

2004-01-23 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 09:10:50AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:51:19PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 08:29:45PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > Due to popular demand (or at least, someone asking for it), the debian-bsd &g

Re: debian-bsd.lightbearer.com back on the air

2004-01-23 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:51:19PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 08:29:45PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > Due to popular demand (or at least, someone asking for it), the debian-bsd > > site at debian-bsd.lightbearer.com is back. It's the same stuff that i

debian-bsd.lightbearer.com back on the air

2004-01-22 Thread Joel Baker
hroot area, and some older stuff by Mr. Millan. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,''`. Debian GN

Re: Status of NetBSD port?

2004-01-21 Thread Joel Baker
e 2.0 with GCC >3.mumble as the primary compiler. But don't take that as gospel... > > > GCC 3.3.x is going to be the only compiler shipped with netbsd 2.0. > infact, i will be deleting GCC 2.x soon :-) > > > .mrg. See? Always listen to the people wi

Re: Status of NetBSD port?

2004-01-20 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:41:29AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 10:27:34PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > > Yes. Less steadily than at times, but still actively. I'm also working > > > > on > > > > the naming issue wi

Re: Status of NetBSD port?

2004-01-19 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 02:23:27PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 12:20:20PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > I see that mjg has already answered this to a fair degree; therefore, I'll > > mostly only be commenting on things he didn't cover in detail,

Re: Status of NetBSD port?

2004-01-19 Thread Joel Baker
iler. But don't take that as gospel... -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Status of NetBSD port?

2004-01-19 Thread Joel Baker
bly bitrotted some, but should be easily fixed back to good working order once we have a core system back up and running. Anyone wanting to help Lars with the wishlist bugs on Enemies of Carlotta would probably speed up getting the lightbearer.com archive back, so if you happen to like pyth

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-24 Thread Joel Baker
having an extra vote, and *not* having any votes rank it behind Further Discussion) appears to be Greek mythology. None of them could be said to have anything like a solid mandate, though, given the lack of votes. Anyone seriously object to Greek myth? -- Joel Bak

Re: unix compiler symbol not in NetBSD? (zlib's minunzip)

2003-12-23 Thread Joel Baker
= miniunz.o unzip.o > + ZIP_OBJS = minizip.o zip.o Er. What about it? I wrote it, a while back, and as far as I know both of the assertions are still true... really, the better answer would be some sort of auto-detect of what it *actually* wants, but there isn't much to be done for that. --

Re: debian-bsd port(?) name(s)

2003-12-23 Thread Joel Baker
pstream; I don't claim to be able to make too much sense of the whole thing. In a very real sense, however, the '-gnu' tag *is* a 'version'; specifically, that one can use the config settings for native NetBSD 1.6, 2.0, or a NetBSD

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-20 Thread Joel Baker
ding email and get their help. I certainly have no objection to the question "should we deal with this at all" being asked, but I think it's proper place is on debian-legal, not debian-bsd, given what it deals with. --

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-20 Thread Joel Baker
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 01:18:34PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joel> No, it's debian-legal's to decide. To date, they have > Joel> considered some form of renaming to be th

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-19 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 08:43:35PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:07:43PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > > >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Joel> On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 07:0

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-19 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:07:43PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Joel> On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 07:02:20PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: [ snip things appropriate to debian-legal, rather t

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-19 Thread Joel Baker
Okay, one more time. Hrrrf. This one wasn't (technically) proposed earlier, but does make sense. Hopefully this is the last update. On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 08:44:00AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > It has been pointed out that there are at least three other categories > which it is me

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-19 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 07:02:20PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Joel> We have been asked, by the folks who own the name, that we do > Joel> *something* to avoid using it in this context

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-19 Thread Joel Baker
nd of commentary on Christianity. If you want to propose some other variant, with at least a few concrete names as examples, please feel free to do so. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-19 Thread Joel Baker
It has been pointed out that there are at least three other categories which it is meaningful to include; therefore, please consider this the revised ballot. My apologies to anyone who has to re-submit. On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:34:53PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > So. While things aren'

Re: Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-19 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:42:27AM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Joel> The proposed naming schemes of which I am aware are as follows: > > Joel> 1) Christian demonology > Joel>

Naming questions, to the BSD list only

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
Discworld gods [ ] Tolkien Valar/Maiar [ ] Greek mythology [ ] Famous physicists [ ] Further discussion -=-=- cut here -=-=- Polls open now (roughly 2003-12-19 03:30 +), and will close at 2003-12-22 03:30 + (or roughly 3 days hence). -- Joel B

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:59:10PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd, please Cc: me if you feel your reply > deserves my attention.] > > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 15:51, Joel Baker wrote: > > > "GNU represents the Gnu system, running w

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
man - Linux gets Lovelace!) Debian Mach, of course, must be reserved for a FreeBSD-on-Mach port :) -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
ecause it wasn't considered to be worth having the argument over, and we were still using quite a lot of GNU stuff, so figured it wasn't unreasonable to give them due credit (and that if RMS objected, saying it wasn't "the Gnu system

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 05:16:42PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:57:15PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:44:07PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:58:42PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > >

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:44:07PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:58:42PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > I really need to sit down and write a proposal / patches for NetBSD to > > support the 'vendor' sysctl tree, that can be checked usefully. Si

Re: [OT] Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
ous Harry Potter reference, but "fear of a > name increases fear for the thing itself." ;-p > > IOW, lighten up, people. Otherwise, we'll be referring to Debian > GNU/That Which Shall Not Be Named... Hey, we already covered L

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
ough of the right letters to do the first-letter trick, at least once per. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,''

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:10:24AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:15:04AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > Actually, given that I'm a long-time and deep-seated Tolkien geek, I rather > > like the notion of

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:54:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:00:21PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > Even so, I'm amenable to anyone who can come up with names which are less > > loaded to random fu

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:51:41AM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Joel> On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 10:33:30AM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > >> How can the use of ``NetBSD''

Re: Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:24:31AM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:29:48PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > My impression is that this will not satisfy The NetBSD Foundation, though > > they could always suprise me. In part, their objection appears to b

Re: Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-16 Thread Joel Baker
objection appears to be using the bareword 'NetBSD' in any context other than referring to the current software produced by the NetBSD Project, taken as a whole. Much like we normally expect "Debian" to refer either to the project, or to the entire system, rath

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-16 Thread Joel Baker
k, by using the name to refer to something other than it's intended meaning. Whereas saying "We use , , and from NetBSD" is true and factual, and uses 'NetBSD' solely in a context of referring to the body of software produced by the NetBSD project's effo

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 10:40:11PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:01:49AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > >> Branden's second proposal of using something from Pratchett did have a > >>

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 03:09:07PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 12:19:10PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > > Having cheated and grabbed an online resource for it from Google, the > > following possibilities show up (my apologies for the lack of accent

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:15:04AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:01:49AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > > > Of course, I don't really think we should merit religious nonsense with > > the honour of giving name to the products of Debian labour any

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-15 Thread Joel Baker
ybe Debian GNU/Pesetas, Debian GNU/Zloty, and Debian GNU/Yen?! All > hail capitalism! This would be quite fitting right now, since most of > the western world is celebrating capitalism's supremacy next week (of > course, some celebrate it rel

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-14 Thread Joel Baker
gt; > In any event, for any name that doesn't raise trademark issues (and > > thus potentially jeopardize the entire project), I'd say > > the choice remains up to those who are actually doing the

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-14 Thread Joel Baker
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 03:29:31PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 11:11:20AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > Feel free to propose alternatives from, say, the origional mythology which > > spawned the concept of daemons as beings which were not inherently good or

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-14 Thread Joel Baker
ce with the topic tends to indicate that the same folks who care are very likely to consider there mere *concept* of a 'daemon' to be anathema, evil, fou

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-13 Thread Joel Baker
[ If you're being impatient about resolving this, please see the bottom ] [ of the email for an imporant bit of information... ] [ snip ] On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 04:27:27PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 10:29:05AM -0700, Joel

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-12 Thread Joel Baker
ly with the request. > On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 21:58, Joel Baker wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 07:49:43PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > > > > > There might be some changes required to autotools-dev and libtool to > > > support this platfo

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-12 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 07:49:43PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > ObListPolicy: I'm not subscribed to debian-bsd, please Cc: me in all > replies that you think may concern me. > > On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 23:39, Joel Baker wrote: > > > For the porting effort for

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-12 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 11:19:39AM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:54:01AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > In any case, I hope I did indicate that I have less experience than many > > > list posters with threads (although I hope to gain at least a

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-12 Thread Joel Baker
.] On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 11:54:09AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > [I am not subscribed to debian-bsd.] > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 04:39:47PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > On December 2nd, I was contacted by Luke Mewburn, on behalf of The NetBSD > > Foundation, asking

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-12 Thread Joel Baker
g system. It is, of course, far from the only option. :) -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-12 Thread Joel Baker
scheduler for it, you also know enough, and have enough resources, to customize an existing OS (or even write one) with that scheduler. (But then, I view processes as heavyweight threads, rather than threads as lightweight processes; this causes certain things to be viewed in a very different

Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-11 Thread Joel Baker
ndation, and it's representatives, have been both cordial and productive, to date, and that I feel their request is born largely of having seen an example which they preferred, rather than any antipathy towards the Debian project

Re: A request from the NetBSD folks [ please discuss ]

2003-12-10 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:22:36AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > So. I propose the following, and, barring objections over the next week > or so, I'll take steps to update what I can to reflect this: > > uname -s will remain 'NetBSD'. > > uname -v will continu

Re: A request from the NetBSD folks [ please discuss ]

2003-12-05 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:28:03PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:46:05PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > > > > Untill we resolve this, please take into consideration to avoid filing > > > patches > > > that use "netbsd-i38

Re: A request from the NetBSD folks [ please discuss ]

2003-12-04 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:04:20AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:22:36AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > Indeed. As long as it's documented, people are probably going to be > > hand-selecting their APT entries, anyway, so it isn't such a big dea

Re: A request from the NetBSD folks [ please discuss ]

2003-12-04 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:24:51PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > There are very important technical reasons for these decisions, not only > "nomenclature correctness" stuff. Let me explain. > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 11:33:22AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > >

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-04 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:50:00PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 08:16:35PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > > > The NetBSD/native port has been stalled for some time, because I ran into > > core, required-to-build-lots-of-things applications (tcl8.4, II

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-03 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:30:09AM -0800, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Joel Baker wrote: > > > > Another thing that is interesting is that most of pkgsrc is usable on > > > non-NetBSD systems. Many admins use it to have a consistent third-party > >

Re: A request from the NetBSD folks [ please discuss ]

2003-12-03 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:41:00AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi Joel, > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 01:50:16PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > > I've been contacted by a member of the NetBSD team, who expressed that the > > general opinion seems to be that "Debian GN

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-03 Thread Joel Baker
ve similar quirks). I vaguely wish the userland (or at least the core libraries and utilities) could detect *older* kernels, and fall back to legacy support mode (possibly with a deprecation warning that could be

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-03 Thread Joel Baker
ith NetBSD was a non-POSIX-compliance issue). Which is to say, they're both portable, useable management tools, and so it isn'

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-02 Thread Joel Baker
x27;ve missed a large part of what makes Debian so useful to people. Realistically, we might be able to target Sarge+1, if it's really a year after Sarge and Sarge releases in, say, a couple of months - *if* everything goes nearly perfectly. Since that seems pretty unlikely, I&#

Re: A request from the NetBSD folks [ please discuss ]

2003-12-02 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:49:42PM +0100, Michael Ritzert wrote: > Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 02.12.03 21:51:20: > > > > I've been contacted by a member of the NetBSD team, who expressed that the > > general opinion seems to be that "Debian GNU/

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-02 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:21:04PM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I haven't been following too closely. Could someone explain what the > >> issue is? Obviously XFree works fine on NetBSD -- I'm using it at th

A request from the NetBSD folks [ please discuss ]

2003-12-02 Thread Joel Baker
ng, for those of us using the kernel and libc? -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-02 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:03:11AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > While I'd dearly love to see a bit more de-coupling of NetBSD kernel and > > libc (so that they don't have to be in quite such lockstep, though I&#x

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-02 Thread Joel Baker
stuff like "where do man pages live", "how do I call userland utility", etc - most of that is in the NetBSD.cf patch. Frankly, to give youa *complete* answer, I'd have to go read the patches again, myself; it's been almost a year since I worked on them acti

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-01 Thread Joel Baker
l, to get the horror out of your brain. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-01 Thread Joel Baker
on NetBSD -current will handle it as well. Until your port can handle it, I wouldn't trust it enough to call it threadsafe (and yes, that means no version of Linux prior to NPTL is th

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-01 Thread Joel Baker
s very much a userland issue, not a libc issue). The *hard* part was in hunting down build problems and bad assumptions in something the size of the X codebase. That isn't going to be any

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-01 Thread Joel Baker
ome fairly real-world situations in mind that would vastly benefit from have neither of the two, which is why I cared enough to start working on it, origionally; they're less relevant, now, since I no lon

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-12-01 Thread Joel Baker
this is entirely true. Having found a couple of fairly major deficienies (__cxx_atexit, [n]ftw), they're quite willing to work with folks to figure out ways to add support for

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-11-29 Thread Joel Baker
is to pull in the threading support that will be released with 2.0 (some packages simply *will not* build with GNU pth as pthreads). -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Glibc-based Debian GNU/KNetBSD

2003-11-29 Thread Joel Baker
hailand, now, BTW, and will be working to get the new colo machine for debian-bsd.lightbearer.com set up in the fairly immediate future. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Upcoming stuff...

2003-11-01 Thread Joel Baker
not so useful for first pass. This is, of course, just my opinion. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Upcoming stuff...

2003-10-30 Thread Joel Baker
from the OpenBSD version should contact me off-list. I think that's pretty much how things stand at the moment... -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,&#x

Re: default CPU target for ix86 based ports

2003-08-06 Thread Joel Baker
on that has appeared in -current). Look ma, threads! (and gcc 3.3.x even appears to have support for using them :) -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpGVUHXyVVOw.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 07:14:48PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 04:52:39PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > > > > > You just said it is "*not* GNU-based". Do you

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 04:52:39PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 08:01:47AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:05:12PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:17:14PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: > > > >

Re: *BSD and GNU/*BSD nomenclature (was: Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches)

2003-06-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:05:12PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > [ moved the discussion to debian-bsd ] > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:17:14PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: > > > > > > [1] as of now GNU/Hurd and GNU/*BSD only exist in Debian, but we can't > &

Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 183 - in branches/4.3.0/sid/debian: . patches

2003-06-12 Thread Joel Baker
fic stuff, we'd just have to send gnu-common.cf to upstream > and maintain debian.cf/site.def in debian. > > [1] as of now GNU/Hurd and GNU/*BSD only exist in Debian, but we can't > assume that for a configuration file. And the NetBSD one is *not* GNU-based, which is even more reason to split the Debian-specific bits into a different file from the GNU-specific bits. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpb6BFrvwytC.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: NetBSD: 1.6.1 or -current? Major discussion request.

2003-06-06 Thread Joel Baker
though I don't think I'd want to claim we should release with that as the core. Mostly, the question was "should I schedule a Flag Day and wipe out the current NetBSD archive" (well, okay, probably 'move it aside' for now), and do a set of builds based on -current. So far, the concensus on IRC and here seems to be 'yes'. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpTnKFkpOcRd.pgp Description: PGP signature

NetBSD: 1.6.1 or -current? Major discussion request.

2003-06-06 Thread Joel Baker
nce of not crossing over each other's work, I'd like to hear other opinions. -- *** Joel Baker System Administrator - lightbearer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.lightbearer.com/lucifer/ pgpKUNi9gWCWu.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: xfree86 4.3.0-0pre1v1 - request for porting help!

2003-05-26 Thread Joel Baker
to the point where you could really sanely log in and work on a console, probably, so the video stuff hasn't gotton significant testing. The server-X stuff for 4.2 has been running on my box for at least six months, though, and seems to be fine :) -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgph1C1amT7o1.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposed mini-policy for NetBSD kernel packages

2003-05-23 Thread Joel Baker
check this. These Provides entries are in the form: > >netbsd-kernel-image-compat- > > this is a great idea. i think perhaps even more provides might be > useful for other kernel options... but you can figure that out later > i'm sure. The system is certainly extendable in a coherent manner, or at least that's my goal. :) -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpsLKGilGd4G.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposed mini-policy for NetBSD kernel packages

2003-05-23 Thread Joel Baker
t are intimately tied to the kernel, and potentially to certain kernel options being enabled. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpCtbLz4VzHW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Proposed mini-policy for NetBSD kernel packages

2003-05-22 Thread Joel Baker
nel can provide old interfaces sufficiently well that having, say, a -current kernel with COMPAT for 1.6.1 means you can sanely use 1.6.1 libc or kernel-reading tools. The proposed policy is attached, and I'd *really* like feedback on this, especially from folks who are more intimately familiar w

Re: FreeBSD patch for dpkg?

2003-04-29 Thread Joel Baker
BSD's derivative of pmake/bmake, and can't build with normal GNU make. On the flip side, the netbsd-make package doens't install 'make', or even offer itself as an alternative, because Policy says (and sanity requires) that 'make' be able to handle gmake style Makefiles (whether that means 'gmake' or something else). -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpSquNpQjq4t.pgp Description: PGP signature

All praise to Doogie! (dpkg support)

2003-04-28 Thread Joel Baker
re. Closes: #179661 * No longer managed the /usr/doc symlinks. Enough said, I think. All praise to Doogie. :) -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpzaXcUL2AHB.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: FreeBSD patch for dpkg?

2003-04-26 Thread Joel Baker
it beats the living snot out of Linux (conversely, Linux has areas where NetBSD falls flat on it's face, in comparison :) Much of the benefit would be lost, if glibc were layered over the top of it, making the port more a matter of curiosity rather than usefulness. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpTCk4J1uDPZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: FreeBSD patch for dpkg?

2003-04-25 Thread Joel Baker
be clear. NetBSD is most assuredly using the native libc; a netbsd-libc (libc12) package is available from debian-bsd.lightbearer.com. As for FreeBSD, I know some chunk of work was done on making it use glibc, and at least one of the active glibc folks is wanting to get a FreeBSD box to make sure n

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