port update...

1999-07-20 Thread Gary Kline
I'd guess that I'm between 2 and 5% done with my BSD/i386 port of glibc. I may be way optimistic... or not. There is nothing but an empty Makefile in the bsd/i386 tree, so I've collected my hunnypots and am sitting in my thinking place. As Pooh would say; or my toddler daughter wou

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Steve Price
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: # For the benefit on non-Debian folks: dpkg just knows how to install, # manipulate, and remove .deb packages. It doesn't know how to download them, # and it isn't very intelligent about installing them in the correct order. # There's a front-end gui call

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Steve Price
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: # A query about the ports: when they fetch source via FTP, do they have # an exact version they need, or will they search for the newest and attempt # to use it? The majority of the time they get only the one they need. No searching, no fuss, it is all

Re: Ports/Source Issues

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 07:06:32PM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > This is essentially what the ports collection does for FreeBSD. > You can use it to build packages from source and manage packages > to some extent. What you are talking about (forgive me for > being a Debian newbie) is putting togethe

Re: Debian "Source Control"?

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 02:30:51PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote: > As far as I know, we do not keep track of changes over time > as in a source control type system. I have never had cause > to look back between revisions of a package to see what has > changed. Part of the reason is that we typicall

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 03:48:25PM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > the wire. The Ports Collection tree is the "source" people > like Satoshi, Justin, Garrett, and myself use to build the > packages. Since the tree is available to everyone many of > the more accomplished hacker types took to using the

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote: > 3. If it is determined that having the raw source is very desirable for > certain packages, it should be possible to use the dpkg-source tool as a > basis for dpkg to handle the install and build of packages. Our > autobuilders (at

Re: dpkg-1.4.1.4 port for FreeBSD

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:10:19AM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > Who maintains dpkg? The Debian project? A group of people? > A single person? The reason I ask is that there are few > patches in the port that seem to address features not directly > related to FreeBSD. That's a rather painful ques

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 09:23:26PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > Yeah, but what's particularly funny here is that a good > chunk of BSD relies | defaults to things-GNU. gcc, g++, > RCS, ispell, and on and on and on. True, but there are a lot of tools which ARE available in GNU versi

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Gary Kline
According to Hamish Moffatt: > On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 02:39:15PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > If the Core members of FreeBSD would agree to fully > > integrate the best of GNU into our BSD, that would be > > outstanding. > > Perhaps, but I think there are many BSD users who would n

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Gary Kline
According to Hamish Moffatt: > On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 05:50:00PM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > > Linux has a sex appeal that BSD doesn't. Many of the "newer, > > intell..." have an easier time equating themselves with Linus > > (and some want to be just like him), but few see themselves > > hanging

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 02:39:15PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > If the Core members of FreeBSD would agree to fully > integrate the best of GNU into our BSD, that would be > outstanding. Perhaps, but I think there are many BSD users who would not be impressed with a GNU invasion

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 02:11:47PM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > like your xterm's background blue and I like my compiler to be > egcs just isn't an effort I'm interested in. No argument there -- Debian 2.2 has egcs installed as /usr/bin/gcc. I think we would have done that in Debian 2.1 as well, b

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 10:59:35AM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > BTW, what does FHS mean? Something like 'man 7 hier' on a > BSD box? Very much like that. It explains what should go where on the file system and the rationale. I can't find a URL for it just at the moment though. Hamish -- Hamish

Re: The project

1999-07-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 05:50:00PM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > Linux has a sex appeal that BSD doesn't. Many of the "newer, > intell..." have an easier time equating themselves with Linus > (and some want to be just like him), but few see themselves > hanging out with a 50+ year old hippy with a g

RE: Ports/Source Issues

1999-07-20 Thread Brent Fulgham
> This is essentially what the ports collection does for FreeBSD. > You can use it to build packages from source and manage packages > to some extent. What you are talking about (forgive me for > being a Debian newbie) is putting together an automated .deb > build tree. You have something similar

Re: Ports/Source Issues

1999-07-20 Thread Steve Price
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Brent Fulgham wrote: # Based on the discussion we've been having to date, I think one # of the first things we need to do is develop a policy regarding # how Debian should work a "ports" methodology into its existing # system. This is essentially what the ports collection doe