Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Geert Stappers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.07.1854 +0100]: > ( in normal use ( no "expert" mode ) d-i will do software installation ) yes, so there is no trick. > What trick is use to skip software installation (to get a minimal system) ? in expert mode, you just jump over it. in

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I thought the one big lumpy desktop task was a feature, and that any proposal > to get it changed was voted down ? Maybe. Anyway, my own personal opinion is that something better could be doneHowever, my own personal opinion does not drive everythin

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 06:13:41PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > So they get to download a bunch of CD isos over their analog modem in order > > to > > install :) > > Well, one may guess there are other ways to get CD's than downloading > them.

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 06:04:56PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Geert Stappers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.07.1802 +0100]: > > To get a minimal system, I use this trick: > > > > * select nothing in tasksel > > . you get forced into the ugly[1] looking aptitude > > * quit aptitud

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > So they get to download a bunch of CD isos over their analog modem in order to > install :) Well, one may guess there are other ways to get CD's than downloading them. You know, things they used to call shops or magazines back in the 20th century when pe

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 06:02:44PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > I guess we have more than 1% of non-broadband users left, where the > > situation > > is not fine. All those who want somekind of X support, without wanting to > > install all of gn

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Geert Stappers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.07.1802 +0100]: > To get a minimal system, I use this trick: > > * select nothing in tasksel > . you get forced into the ugly[1] looking aptitude > * quit aptitude, it is the first thing you do > * confirm the quit (aptitude is probably d

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I guess we have more than 1% of non-broadband users left, where the situation > is not fine. All those who want somekind of X support, without wanting to > install all of gnome and all of KDE and openoffice, and pass days downloading > over their slow mod

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 01:54:51AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.07.0142 +0100]: > > Tasksel is frozen. The current situation is fine except for a 1% > > of users who happen to need to be expert debian users anyway, and > > who can work around it

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 07:42:01PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > martin f krafft wrote: > > Is there no way to include such a (simple) modification with sarge, > > given that we are otherwise leading people to install more packages > > than necessary for most uses? > > Tasksel is frozen. The current s

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.07.0142 +0100]: > Tasksel is frozen. The current situation is fine except for a 1% > of users who happen to need to be expert debian users anyway, and > who can work around it. I'm trying to release sarge, not make it > perfect. I concur, but I wo

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread Joey Hess
martin f krafft wrote: > Is there no way to include such a (simple) modification with sarge, > given that we are otherwise leading people to install more packages > than necessary for most uses? Tasksel is frozen. The current situation is fine except for a 1% of users who happen to need to be expe

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.07.0043 +0100]: > Is there no way to include such a (simple) modification with sarge, > given that we are otherwise leading people to install more packages > than necessary for most uses? Alternatively, add a prompt before displaying the lis

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.07.0016 +0100]: > > Would it then be possible to add an item to just have a minimal > > installation next to the tasks and the 'manual selection' item? > > I think that would be a reasonable post-sarge wishlist. Is there no way to include such a

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread Joey Hess
martin f krafft wrote: > Would it then be possible to add an item to just have a minimal > installation next to the tasks and the 'manual selection' item? I think that would be a reasonable post-sarge wishlist. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.06.2031 +0100]: > You selected nothing else, so you got all the standard packages > installed. I read that as being exactly what polisy is specifying > should happen. Would it then be possible to add an item to just have a minimal installation nex

Re: please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread Joey Hess
martin f krafft wrote: > standard > These packages provide a reasonably small but not too limited > character-mode system. This is what will be installed by default ^ > if the user doesn't select anything else. It do

please do not force aptitude

2004-11-06 Thread martin f krafft
This was going to be a bug, but since fjp says it's now behaving properly, I better first ask. The preferred way to install a Debian system has always been to install a minimal system and then assume an install-on-demand strategy for additional packages. At least, I have heard this to be called "t