Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-24 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 04:24:17PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 12:36:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Perhaps the correct structure is this: after choosing "Customization > > modules", the user gets a menu of possible places to get them from (CD, > > USB, flop

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 03:01:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > I've been thinking that the best way here is to just nuke the > > configuration of the retriever before (or while) running > > customization-modules in some way. We'll be assuming that there is at > > least one

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-19 Thread Joey Hess
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I've been thinking that the best way here is to just nuke the > configuration of the retriever before (or while) running > customization-modules in some way. We'll be assuming that there is at > least one way to get udebs onto the running debian-installer session; so > the

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:12:52PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 11:35:25AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >> Feedback is welcome. > > > > Since the only feedback I received thus far was Goswin von Brederlow > > saying he liked the id

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 12:36:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Can people please have a look and comment? I'd like to avoid some > > specific GR by making whatever is going to be voted upon moot ;-) > > We should have a way of doing the same thing, only with a custo

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 11:35:25AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> Feedback is welcome. > > Since the only feedback I received thus far was Goswin von Brederlow > saying he liked the idea, and since I didn't have much else to do today > (other than wait for a supplier.

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 11:35:25AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> Feedback is welcome. > > Since the only feedback I received thus far was Goswin von Brederlow > saying he liked the idea, and since I didn't have much else to do today > (other than wait for a supplier...

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Joey Hess wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> Since the most central point of disagreement seems to be around the need >> to support non-free firmware from the installation (whether by doing >> that through supporting the non-free repository, or by just dropping >> these firmware blobs in main, or

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-18 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:55:12AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Yoe recently checked in support for a trivial udeb image. You just > dump whatever udeb you want on the floppy, cd, usb, whatever and then > select a menu entry to install *.udeb from that medium. > Please do test it. Where

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Rick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sep 7, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Joey Hess wrote: > >> This won't be practical. They are just udebs, but they have complex >> interdependencies and we can't expect users to pick the right set of >> udebs to put on a driver floppy that both supports all the hard

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> * In case we're installing from the network, download (using a TFTP >> client) a tarball with udebs from the same TFTP server we've booted >> from (which would require us to figure out somehow where we booted >> from). I *thin

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 07:02:18PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Joey Hess wrote: > > >This won't be practical. They are just udebs, but they have complex > >interdependencies and we can't expect users to pick the right set of > >udebs to put on a driver floppy that bo

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-07 Thread Rick Thomas
On Sep 7, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Joey Hess wrote: This won't be practical. They are just udebs, but they have complex interdependencies and we can't expect users to pick the right set of udebs to put on a driver floppy that both supports all the hardware they need to support and fit in its limite

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 03:05:09PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Your mail suggests a number of things, but I feel most of those are > > redundant; it should be possible to do just a subset. > > My mail tries to explore all the positibities, it doesn't suggest > implementing

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-07 Thread Joey Hess
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Your mail suggests a number of things, but I feel most of those are > redundant; it should be possible to do just a subset. My mail tries to explore all the positibities, it doesn't suggest implementing them all. However, a certian amount of redundancy is necessary to get

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-05 Thread p2
> So there are cases of: > * CD-ROM drives needing firmware somewhere along the path (IDE/SATA > controller, drive itself perhaps?, more stuff...) If you have a cdrom behind a firmware requiring scsi controller. Not so likely, but not completely impossible. I have never seen cdrom drives requiri

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 04:07:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Since the most central point of disagreement seems to be around the need > > to support non-free firmware from the installation (whether by doing > > that through supporting the non-free repository, or by just d

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Since the most central point of disagreement seems to be around the need > to support non-free firmware from the installation (whether by doing > that through supporting the non-free repository, or by just dropping > these firmware blobs in main, or whatnot), I'm trying to

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 11:35:25AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Feedback is welcome. Since the only feedback I received thus far was Goswin von Brederlow saying he liked the idea, and since I didn't have much else to do today (other than wait for a supplier...), I went ahead and wrote it. It's

non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, In the discussion about firmware-in-main, one argument that has come up consistently is the fact that d-i doesn't currently support non-free, and that implementing this support would take a significant development effort. AIUI, anna would need to be updated to support multiple installation sou