While this has been an interesting thread, it may be predicated on a
false premise. I examined the latest weekly CD build, and the reason no
desktop tasks at all (even lxde or xfce) appear on their respective CDs
is because debian-cd is simply not including tasksel's new task-*
packages, at all.
+++ Mehdi Dogguy [2012-05-16 16:24 +0200]:
> On 16/05/12 13:41, Wookey wrote:
> >is there any reason not to just upload this to Debian?
>
> There are ITPs filed for it:
> - http://bugs.debian.org/582884
> - http://bugs.debian.org/576359
Yes. I discovered that when I went to file an ITP :-)
It tu
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
> we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
> supporting the following single-CD installations:
>
>
[Steve McIntyre]
> You're not measuring the time taken to sync to the flash drive
> either, so all you're going to be seeing is the speed of writing to
> cache.
Huh, I figured the 'sync' call at the end of each test run covered
that.
> I've done lots of work with USB flash and MMC/SD cards over
Hi,
Bjørn Mork wrote:
> On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group.
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
I understand that the instructions about creating a Debian installation
medium shall be usable on as many systems as
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:00:29PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>[Steve McIntyre]
>> The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
>> block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
>> going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
>>
On 16/05/12 13:41, Wookey wrote:
is there any reason not to just upload this to Debian?
There are ITPs filed for it:
- http://bugs.debian.org/582884
- http://bugs.debian.org/576359
Regards,
--
Mehdi
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscr
On Wed, 16 May 2012, Wookey wrote:
> this to Debian? I see a couple of places in the UI where it says
> 'Ubuntu' and it would be good if it got a bit cleverer and put in the
If Ubuntu sponsored the creation of usb-creator, we can package it that
way just fine, as long as the trademark license for
+++ Timo Juhani Lindfors [2012-05-15 21:01 +0300]:
Yes, turns out I failed to read the instructions right, presumably due
to thinking I knew how this worked (i.e. you can't just put an iso
stright onto a USB stick, and you need 'hd-media' for USB sticks).
I'm glad to see that this has got signifi
Bjørn Mork writes:
> I fail to see how burning to a local user's CD is any better, but yes,
> if that is a consideration then they need some system to tie the rights
> to console access. I believe ConsoleKit and the replacement
> systemd-loginctl attempts to solve such problems.
Yes, I believe u
"Thomas Schmitt" writes:
> I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> for X = valuable hard disk.
What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
--
Feri.
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian
On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:53:55 -0300
Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> > Bjørn Mork writes:
> >> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> >> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
> >
> > Yeah bu
On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Bjørn Mork writes:
>> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
>> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
$ debconf-sho
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Bjørn Mork writes:
>> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
>> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
No, that decision should be left to
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Wookey writes:
>> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
>> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
>> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
>
> You also need to have root acces
Bjørn Mork writes:
> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
> You mean that they allow you to burn a CD but not write to a USB
> stic
[Steve McIntyre]
> The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
> block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
> going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
> or cp (10 KB IIRC).
That seemed a little fishy to me, since none of
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:40:55PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
>[Steve McIntyre]
>> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
>
>While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
>the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
>that y
[Samuel Thibault]
> > I think "cp" is even more straightforward.
>
> Does cp accept that way since a long time?
I'm not sure, but I've been using things like "cp boot.img /dev/fd0"
for probably 10 or 15 years on various Linux and Unix systems. (The
fact that I referred to a floppy drive may giv
Ben Armstrong writes:
> accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is
> universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a
> USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not?
At least in default debian and ubuntu systems they don't have
Peter Samuelson, le Tue 15 May 2012 12:40:55 -0500, a écrit :
> > (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
>
> While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
> the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
> that you need to use dd
On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> for X = valuable hard disk.
I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant section of
the Debian Live Manual.
> Maybe one should advise people to first r
[Steve McIntyre]
> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block
devices), I t
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) but
> skipped straight past section 4.3.1. Looks like we could do with a big
> clear message "DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS" to make it more
> obvious. :-)
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic poten
Hi,
> Fedora/RH folks recently added more
> hacks to isohybrid to support booting on Macs:
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html
This is achieved by applying ISOLINUX program isohybrid from a recent
ISOLINYX version to the already produced ISO images. syslinux-4.05
should probably do.
It is a
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:13:24PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>
>> > And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
>> > have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
>> > put on. It's no wonder n
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> > And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> > have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> > put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
> I thought HD-media was a t
+++ Steve McIntyre [2012-05-15 13:38 +0100]:
> [ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
>
> 2. USB-targeted images
>
> I've also tweaked DVD#1 of each set to fit in 4GB instead of the
> normal 4.7GB, so that it fits on a 4GB USB stick to make it more
> useful. We could quite readily produce
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Wookey wrote:
> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
I thought HD-media was a thing of the
Wookey writes:
> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
You also need to have root access to some machine to create the USB
me
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
Adam Borowski wrote:
>On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:04:16PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
>> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
>
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're using
> a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the download
> time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of what a CD
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:26:13PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
> On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
> [snip]
> > Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> > systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
> > What is the use
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> Indeed, I have seen that pattern before, although I think it was because
> people are used to get CDs, not DVDs (ie, just a matter of habit).
Another reason is that it's more likely for a throwaway USB key to be in
the 1-2 gb range than the 5 gb range.
On Lun 14 May 2012 07:30:30 Jonas Smedegaard escribió:
[snip]
> I wish people would collaborate more.
>
> I wish people would care more about efficient use of resources.
Me too :-)
> I did not claim that there was great sense behind that usage pattern,
> but I do claim that it is reality in some
On 12-05-14 at 11:22am, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 14, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> > It is my impression from my visits in the Fall (although I do not
> > have any hard data to support it) that in India and Indonesia
> > network access is generally so slow that even if computers have DVD
> >
On May 14, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> It is my impression from my visits in the Fall (although I do not have
> any hard data to support it) that in India and Indonesia network access
> is generally so slow that even if computers have DVD drives the common
> media downloaded and used is CD.
This
On 12-05-13 at 10:26pm, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
> [snip]
> > Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> > systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
> > What is the use case for this? Chea
Hello,
Joey Hess, le Sun 13 May 2012 20:39:20 -0400, a écrit :
> Neil Williams wrote:
> > "supporting only the smaller/lighter desktop environments" is exactly
> > what comes out of accepting that the first two options just won't be
> > acceptable. Changing compression is only putting off the inev
On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
[snip]
> Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
> What is the use case for this? Cheap DVD readers have been around for
> over 10 years now.
Actually, I was goin
On May 14, Neil Williams wrote:
> I'd support XFCE4 as the default Graphical Desktop Environment and
> possibly putting GNOME (and KDE) as alternative options.
What is the point of providing a default which is not what people
usually want?
Just document that a normal desktop install will require
Neil Williams wrote:
> "supporting only the smaller/lighter desktop environments" is exactly
> what comes out of accepting that the first two options just won't be
> acceptable. Changing compression is only putting off the inevitable.
> There's *no* reason to think that GNOME or KDE are going to ge
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:36:09 -0400
Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
> > to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
> > we're goi
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
> we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
> supporting
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:06:25AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> Also if udeb:s are going to be using xz then it makes even more sense to use
> it for everything.
µdebs won't use the xz default, though. (The compression for them will be
handled in debhelper.)
With the compression scheme I posted
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 17:04:16 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
> we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
> supporting the followi
Steve McIntyre writes:
> At this point, I'm skeptical that either of the first two are going to
> work acceptably with Wheezy. If that's the case, then we should warn
> people that they will need to use at least one of:
I agree. I tried installing debian gnome desktop from CD1 during last
debconf
47 matches
Mail list logo
