Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Geek87
Le jeudi 04 février 2010 à 17:01 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : > I very much doubt that that would gain much support. Count me against. > > Users are supposed to be able to do basic system admin for their systems. > If they're not able to do that, well, that's their problem and certainly > not a re

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 February 2010, Geek87 wrote: > Independently of the policy change, what I'm proposing is to have *all* > packages (not only libraries) of the base system being installed with > the "automatically installed" flag by debootstrap along with a mechanism > to keep them installed (the APT:

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Geek87
> Let me elaborate a little bit. > > The reason the packages you'd expect to be marked "auto" are not marked as > such is because debootstrap (and tasksel as well for the 'standard' task) > simply install *all* packages that have a certain priority. Because the > packages are all installed by n

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 February 2010, Geek87 wrote: > I've been looking at debootstrap and cdebootstrap sources and the code > is too complex for a non initiate like me. But it seems that the > automatically installed state of the packages is kept > in /var/lib/apt/extended_states. I don't know if we have

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 February 2010, Frans Pop wrote: > If you look at how debootstrap works, that's not so simple. But if you, > or anybody else, can come up with a tested patch that implements that > then I'm sure it will be seriously considered. Let me elaborate a little bit. The reason the packages

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Geek87
Le jeudi 04 février 2010 à 12:41 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : > On Thursday 04 February 2010, Geek87 wrote: > > What do you think about modifying debootstrap to install the base system > > with the flag "automatically installed" > > If you look at how debootstrap works, that's not so simple. But if

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Geek87
Le jeudi 04 février 2010 à 12:41 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : > On Thursday 04 February 2010, Geek87 wrote: > > What do you think about modifying debootstrap to install the base system > > with the flag "automatically installed" > > If you look at how debootstrap works, that's not so simple. But if

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 February 2010, Geek87 wrote: > What do you think about modifying debootstrap to install the base system > with the flag "automatically installed" If you look at how debootstrap works, that's not so simple. But if you, or anybody else, can come up with a tested patch that implements

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-02-04 Thread Geek87
Hi! As you advised me, I've asked my question in debian-user list and it appears there is no mean yet of auto installing new packages with priority required, important or standard. But it's possible to auto remove packages that don't have one of these priorities anymore. What do you think about m

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-01-28 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 28 January 2010, Geek87 wrote: > Thanks! So it's impossible to have it work with tasksel. And for the > base system? Does someone have an idea? That's a question that's probably better asked on the debian-user list. Cheers, FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-01-28 Thread Geek87
Le mercredi 27 janvier 2010 à 10:43 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : > On Wednesday 27 January 2010, Geek87 wrote: > > I also would like to have it working similarly for the tasks: for > > example if I have a task "Mail server" installed depending on Sendmail > > and that the new version of this task now

Re: Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-01-27 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 27 January 2010, Geek87 wrote: > I also would like to have it working similarly for the tasks: for > example if I have a task "Mail server" installed depending on Sendmail > and that the new version of this task now depends on Postfix, I would > like Sendmail to be automatically remove

Question about having an always clean base system in Debian Sid

2010-01-27 Thread Geek87
Hi all! I'm new on the list so I hope my question is not stupid and I'm asking it in the good list. I have Sid installed on my computer and I would like to know how to keep my base system (~prequired, ~pimportant, ~pstandard) always clean and up to date automatically: if package A is no longer ne