Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Sven Luther wrote: > On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> At a minumum, the patch for tg3 exists and is fully >> functional: check with [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the version against er, that's @recycle.lbl.gov I'm having him send me a copy. >> the >> up-to-date kerne

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > > If it is the consensus of the project that sourceless firmware doesn't > > belong in main, this is a conscious regression in DFSG-compliance relative > > to sarge. I don't think that's acceptable. We obviously do have the > > means to remove

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > At a minumum, the patch for tg3 exists and is fully > functional: check with [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the version against the > up-to-date kernel, and the corresponding loadable firmware files. It works Comments from other had ma

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 12:39:38PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > > If it is the consensus of the project that sourceless firmware doesn't > > belong in main, this is a conscious regression in DFSG-compliance relative > > to sarge. I don't think that's acceptable. We

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 01:08:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:25:12AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > (someone, I'm not sure who, wrote:) > >> > > Re-adding them at this

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hi, On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 01:08:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Today I sent an email asking upstream to remove dgrs based on its > uselessness; we'll see what happens. Thanks. We should consider removing it, too then. Best regards Frederik Schueler -- ENOSIG signature.asc Descript

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:25:12AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: (someone, I'm not sure who, wrote:) >> > > Re-adding them at this stage >> > > 1) is against the current social contract >> >> > Yes, but then so

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: > If it is the consensus of the project that sourceless firmware doesn't > belong in main, this is a conscious regression in DFSG-compliance relative > to sarge. I don't think that's acceptable. We obviously do have the > means to remove this particular subset of non-free f

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > If the firmware-loading tg3 driver is present in the next kernel package > version, I will believe that the kernel team is acting in good faith to try > to satisfy the Social Contract. According to the kernel-team patch po

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-24 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Frederik Schueler wrote: > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed > them the first time in 2004. My apologies for blowing up, although it looks like my flaming message died in transit. Anyway, it

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 11:46:06AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > The ia64/xen folks here think so too - I'm not too familiar with Xen, > but if you want to enable ia64/xen in linux-2.6 I should be able to > get help from HP people if we run into ia64-specific problems. The question is, do we want/c

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread dann frazier
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 06:51:12PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > Xen should be okay. According to the maintainer of this tree, ia64 > should work fine also. The ia64/xen folks here think so too - I'm not too familiar with Xen, but if you want to enable ia64/xen in linux-2.6 I should be able to get

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:13:14PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > And exactly this is what it is all about: find a way to satisfy BOTH > > priorities, not just one. > > No. It is about the definition of "our users". > > If "our users" are dependent on non-free software, then we indir

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Arrgh! Please ignore my post a moment ago. In a moment of carelessness I forgot my promise of throwing no more flames in this thread :-( - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ - Enden er nær: http://www.shibumi.org/eo

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:16:02 +0200 Frederik Schueler wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:53:21PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > I honestly believe that moving linux-2.6 to non-free hurts our users > > more than stripping non-free parts of the Debian-precompiled kernel. > > of course. > > >

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 03:25:12AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > [Dropping -release from cc anyway; there's no possible reason this needs to > be cross-posted to 4 lists] > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:58:31AM -0500, Bill Allombert

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 21 September 2006 19:01, Frans Pop wrote: > It will only hit the mirrors tonight or maybe even tomorrow (not sure). > I will try to run an installation test tomorrow to see if 2.6.17 is > picked up correctly. Tested and OK. pgpcD2wdz1o73.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Steve Langasek
[Dropping -release from cc anyway; there's no possible reason this needs to be cross-posted to 4 lists] On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 07:12:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:58:31AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: >

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:53:21PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I honestly believe that moving linux-2.6 to non-free hurts our users > more than stripping non-free parts of the Debian-precompiled kernel. of course. > Also, section 4 of the SC talks equally about users and free softwa

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:58:14 +0200 Frederik Schueler wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmwar

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Sven Luther
Note to list-masters: Please circumvent the ban on me for debian-release, and have the integrity of my mails concerning this thread reach that mailing list too for completeness of this rather important discussion. -- Thanks. On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:58:31AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: >

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > There won't be any GR, there will be a new pet proposal until forever, and > endless discussions as we start recalling the DPL, and bashing on the > secretary and what not. In the absence of GR, the current situation is that sourceless

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:51, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > First, the migration status and plan looks as follows: > > - after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today, we will > > upload a new linux-latest-2.6 pointin

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > First, the migration status and plan looks as follows: > - after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today, we will upload > a new linux-latest-2.6 pointing to 2.6.18 to unstable. This should be done with the last upd

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Andreas Barth
* Bill Allombert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060921 13:11]: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped > > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed > > them the first time in 2004.

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed > them the first time in 2004. > > Initially, we wanted to wait for a positive GR vote out

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hi, On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped > > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed > > them the firs

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped > > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed > > them the first tim

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:38, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > First, the migration status and plan looks as follows: > > - linux-2.6 2.6.17-9 has already migrated to testing and can be updated > > through t-p-u. > > - after linux-l

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-20 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:32PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped > > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed > > them the first tim

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped > upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed > them the first time in 2004. What in the world? Why would you do that anyway? > Initia

Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:38, Frederik Schueler wrote: > First, the migration status and plan looks as follows: > - linux-2.6 2.6.17-9 has already migrated to testing and can be updated > through t-p-u. > - after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today, we will > upload a new

Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-20 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, Linux 2.6.18 has been released, and it looks like we can do a first upload today. First, the migration status and plan looks as follows: - linux-2.6 2.6.17-9 has already migrated to testing and can be updated through t-p-u. - after linux-latest-2.6 migrates into testing later today,