Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
> On Saturday 21 November 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > What about "Change language and country"? Even though this is also
> > about the locale, I think it's a better approximation of what's being
> > done thereand the remains easy to translate.
>
>
On Saturday 21 November 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> What about "Change language and country"? Even though this is also
> about the locale, I think it's a better approximation of what's being
> done thereand the remains easy to translate.
Well, the other issue was that it can't be too long
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
> P.S.
>
> How about changing "Choose language" to "Change localization" as menu item
> for localechooser?
>
> A downside could be that that could be difficult to translate for some
> languages.
IIRC, this was discussed in some way when languagechooser a
On Saturday 21 November 2009, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
> > P.S.
> >
> > How about changing "Choose language" to "Change localization" as menu
> > item for localechooser?
> >
> > A downside could be that that could be difficult to translate for some
* Otavio Salvador [2009-11-21 10:01]:
> Indeed, localization is too techinical IMO.
Agreed.
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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Frans Pop wrote:
> P.S.
>
> How about changing "Choose language" to "Change localization" as menu item
> for localechooser?
>
> A downside could be that that could be difficult to translate for some
> languages.
Maybe "Choose system language"?
Indeed, localizatio
P.S.
How about changing "Choose language" to "Change localization" as menu item
for localechooser?
A downside could be that that could be difficult to translate for some
languages.
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On Tuesday 17 November 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> After the decision during yesterday's team meeting I've prepared the
> patches to implement the alternative solution to revert the "all
> timezones" option and add instead the option to select UTC at medium
> priority [1].
>
> If there are no objectio
After the decision during yesterday's team meeting I've prepared the
patches to implement the alternative solution to revert the "all
timezones" option and add instead the option to select UTC at medium
priority [1].
If there are no objections before then, I plan to commit these changes on
Fri
(No need to CC me on list mail.)
On Monday 16 November 2009, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> It would be useful to make a list of "things" which must be set up by
> the installer, and *then* conceive a set of questions and priorities,
> from which these "things" could be derived.
Most people working on th
Frans Pop writes:
> However, it would then be even better to just drop the
> tzsetup/selected question and just ask time/zone of everybody, as I
> did in my UTC patch. Users in countries with one timezone would then
> simply get e.g:
> Europe/Amsterdam
>
On Sunday 15 November 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> I've implemented this at the cost of (only?) 58 lines of code (including
> blank lines) and 1 template [1] in localechooser.
Although adding this template plus its translations will be a similar size
increase as Colin's new template for tzdata, the m
On Sunday 15 November 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Given the detailed rationale he gave all along this discussion and the
> possibilities opened by recent changes to localechooser, I tend to
> think that what Frans is proposing is the way to go.
>
> And I didn't even test the very last image wi
Quoting Christian Perrier (bubu...@debian.org):
> I'll try to give a full opinion during the upcoming week-end on this
> interesting issue. This will probably involve deep reformulation of
> the two different point of views.
Hard to do. I spent more time that I was initially planning to work on
s
On Sunday 15 November 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> Perhaps we could further improve localechooser in that respect by
> reusing the shortlist questions to ask what country they'd prefer for
> localization if they selected "other" the first time around. That could
> be a relatively cheap solution.
I've
(I'll be dropping private CCs from further replies unless you request them)
On Friday 13 November 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Right, and this means that you introduce a significant inconsistency
> > in the functionality offered to users installing at default prio who
> > happen to select a count
(I'll be dropping private CCs from further replies unless you request them)
On Friday 13 November 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Not anymore. With the version of localechooser in SVN and at medium
> > priority you can select:
> > - English
> > - Germany
> > - Additional locale en_GB.UTF-8
> > - Def
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
> From recent commit to tzsetup:
I feel the need to mention that, at this point, I've read this entire
thread and I'm having hard times making up my mind.
I'll try to give a full opinion during the upcoming week-end on this
interesting issue. This will prob
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:01:09AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 12 November 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > No it doesn't. If there's only one choice for the timezone, then you get
> > a medium-priority question asking you to confirm your current time, as
> > before. The only difference is t
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 07:45:48AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 12 November 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > This distinction is not relevant. If I am a speaker of British English
> > living in Germany, the only way I can get the behaviour I want is to
> > select language English, country Uni
On Thursday 12 November 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > The downside of the merged change is that it means the tzsetup
> > selection is now displayed at high priority for *all* users, while in
> > the past it would only be displayed for countries that have multiple
> > timezones.
>
> No it doesn't. I
On Thursday 12 November 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> This distinction is not relevant. If I am a speaker of British English
> living in Germany, the only way I can get the behaviour I want is to
> select language English, country United Kingdom, timezone Europe/Berlin.
Not anymore. With the version
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:10:30PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> From recent commit to tzsetup:
>
> + * Merge from Ubuntu:
> + - Make it possible to select from a worldwide list of timezones if the
> + default list is insufficient, including UTC (closes: #442856). This is
> + a bit more gene
On Thursday 12 November 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> While I agree that the option of selecting UTC is worthwhile, I'm not
> sure it's worth the raised priority. My suggestion would be to allow UTC
> to be preseeded instead, and/or selectable at medium priority.
Here's an alternative patch that dynami
On Thursday 12 November 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> While I agree that the option of selecting UTC is worthwhile, I'm not
> sure it's worth the raised priority. My suggestion would be to allow UTC
> to be preseeded instead, and/or selectable at medium priority.
Note that preseeding UTC (and setting i
On Thursday 12 November 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> I'm particularly unhappy with the added tzsetup/select_all template,
> which adds significantly to the size of the udeb.
>
> IMO is the cost of adding the worldwide list way too high for the very
> few cases where it helps users. Because basically, i
From recent commit to tzsetup:
+ * Merge from Ubuntu:
+ - Make it possible to select from a worldwide list of timezones if the
+ default list is insufficient, including UTC (closes: #442856). This is
+ a bit more general than the previous approach suggested by Frans Pop;
+ my reasoni
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