Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-06-29 Thread Marc Haber
[To all recipients: Please, if you're still interested in the topic, subscribe to pkg-exim4-devel, and continue reading there. Reply-To: is appropriately set.] On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 04:55:42PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:18:32AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-30 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 07:46:11PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 05:30:58PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > After all, the current way of setting up exim4 is not that confusing > > and we haven't had so many reports about difficulties there. > > Would you think

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:25:31PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 07:13:31PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:18:32AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > The main problem I have with the current setup is that out of the > > > choices which are current

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 07:13:31PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:18:32AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > The main problem I have with the current setup is that out of the > > choices which are currently available, I never know which to pick since > > none of them seems to

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 05:30:58PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > Something like the following template would work: > > With one huge drawback. It is way too long and thus does not fit in a > standard 80x25 window (even the current one is too long, > IIRC). Moreover, such long text will indee

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:18:32AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:59:31AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 07:38:23PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:21:17PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > > > The problem is that there is

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Christian Perrier
> Something like the following template would work: With one huge drawback. It is way too long and thus does not fit in a standard 80x25 window (even the current one is too long, IIRC). Moreover, such long text will indeed not be read by the main target, aka end users with minimal clues about mai

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:18:32AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:59:31AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > I am open to suggestions. Back when the exim4 packages were developed, > > we mainly copied what exim 3 did and debconfed the questions. > > I'll try to come up with s

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:59:31AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 07:38:23PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:21:17PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > > The problem is that there is no way to automatically determine the > > > "best choice". > > > > I dis

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 07:38:23PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:21:17PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > The problem is that there is no way to automatically determine the > > "best choice". > > I disagree. > > > There are common setups contradicting each other, > > Can

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:21:17PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > The problem is that there is no way to automatically determine the > "best choice". I disagree. > There are common setups contradicting each other, Can you name them? I can only think of one, really (all mail gets sent through a smar

Re: [Pkg-exim4-devel] Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-27 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 02:16:21PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > I'm all in favor of removing the MTA from the default install as this > > seems to be the only option viable. > > > This scares me a little, moreover that close of etch release (let's > consider we are in the last miles of it.

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-25 Thread Christian Perrier
> I'm all in favor of removing the MTA from the default install as this > seems to be the only option viable. This scares me a little, moreover that close of etch release (let's consider we are in the last miles of it. I would prefer us keeping the current setup for etch and rediscuss this as a

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 01:51:41PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Jason Spiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > On 5/21/06, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >We will not recommend them to end users. If you think that end users > > >might be confused about some of the questions tha

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-24 Thread Christian Perrier
> I brought the issue of that question's overly high DEBCONF_PRIORITY a > long time ago. I suggested that at critical, local delivery only should > automatically be chosen. If a person who installs at critical wants > something fancier than local delivery, they should install at a lower > priority

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-24 Thread Jason Spiro
On 2006-05-24, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Jason Spiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >> On 5/21/06, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The two exim-config questions are an issue. They trip up all the >> newbies I know. Would there be a way to simplify them by addin

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-24 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Jason Spiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On 5/21/06, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >We will not recommend them to end users. If you think that end users > >might be confused about some of the questions that are asked during a > >default install, we'd be delighted to try improving

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-24 Thread Jason Spiro
On 5/21/06, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We will not recommend them to end users. If you think that end users might be confused about some of the questions that are asked during a default install, we'd be delighted to try improving them. The two exim-config questions are an issu

Re: Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-21 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Jason Spiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Hi all, > > I think there should be an easy way to change the DEBCONF_PRIORITY > setting from within d-i. You should not have to specify "expert" or > "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=..." on the CD-ROM boot prompt if you want to make the > change. > > (I currently rec

Idea: making it easier to change DEBCONF_PRIORITY

2006-05-21 Thread Jason Spiro
Hi all, I think there should be an easy way to change the DEBCONF_PRIORITY setting from within d-i. You should not have to specify "expert" or "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=..." on the CD-ROM boot prompt if you want to make the change. (I currently recommend to new Debian users to set DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critic