> Mat has an important point here. Too often, I've seen: "I'm sorry
> about the bugs you've encountered post-install. It sounds like the
> install itself went fine. I'm closing this report." Usually, the
> person making the report doesn't have a clue about the fine points of
> which pa
On Jan 16, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Mathew Binkley wrote:
As I said earlier, there shouldn't be an arbitrary line between the
installer and the packages. People aren't installing "Etch the
installer" or "Etch the packages", they're installing "Etch the
release". Test both parts simultaneously, a
From: Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> and certainly can't expect to have everything run like a charm,
> especially with very special hardware like the one you described in
> the mail that started this thread.
It's not "very special hardware". It's a bunch of IBM JS20 blades
configured
Le Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:35:52AM -0500, Joey Hess a écrit :
> Charles Plessy wrote:
> > How about releasing a RC1.5, then, with a 2.6.18 as similar as possible
> > as the one forecasted in testing ?
>
>
> There are of course all kinds of ways to hack around this, but all of
> them are suboptima
Charles Plessy wrote:
> How about releasing a RC1.5, then, with a 2.6.18 as similar as possible
> as the one forecasted in testing ?
Etch d-i installs etch; without forcing such a release to install
unstable, it would not be possible to use the 2.6.18 kernel currently in
unstable. If we point d-i
Rick Thomas wrote:
> The result is that now there's a very subtle release critical bug
> (#404876) and no time to fix it.
Well, the release of etch is currently delayed due to the currently 95
open release critical bugs, of which #404876 is one. I don't see any
indication that the bug's not being
Mathew Binkley wrote:
> I have been downloading cd images from:
>
>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/powerpc/
>
> because that's where the Debian website says to get them. None of the
> images have worked for me because the installer has not been fixed.
As I have already said
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 07:14:22AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Actually, it's equally frustrating for all of us that we *can't*
> release a new D-I despite the team plan to release RC2 a few weeks
> after RC1.
> We can't do this because the 2.6.18 kernel is not in testing.
To be precise, 2
Le Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 07:14:22AM +0100, Christian Perrier a écrit :
>
> Actually, it's equally frustrating for all of us that we *can't*
> release a new D-I despite the team plan to release RC2 a few weeks
> after RC1.
>
> We can't do this because the 2.6.18 kernel is not in testing.
Hi all,
> Right about now, I'm expecting several people to chime in "we've fixed
> the problem already on our installers, and you're an idiot, just go here
> to get it". I, and probably most of humanity with a job and a life,
> don't have time to dig through the entire website. When we see a link
> on t
> >Can you give us examples of actions from the D-I team who could be
> >used as illustrations of negligence towards the powerpc architecture
> >users?
>
> Well, OK:
>
> The one that particularly got to me was the very long dry spell for
> OldWorld PowerMacs during which etch would not boot on
On Jan 15, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting Rick Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
It's sad to see d-i on powerpc, a major architectural variant, being
eroded and neglected as a result of a few people who can't get past
their own personal animosity to Sven. Whatever his merits o
Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you give us examples of actions from the D-I team who could be
> used as illustrations of negligence towards the powerpc architecture
> users?
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It has already been explained that the bug at issue here h
Quoting Rick Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> It's sad to see d-i on powerpc, a major architectural variant, being
> eroded and neglected as a result of a few people who can't get past
> their own personal animosity to Sven. Whatever his merits or
> demerits -- and I'm not going to get drawn
It's sad to see d-i on powerpc, a major architectural variant, being
eroded and neglected as a result of a few people who can't get past
their own personal animosity to Sven. Whatever his merits or
demerits -- and I'm not going to get drawn into a debate on that
topic -- the powerpc arch
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 12:08:37AM -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
> Geert Stappers wrote:
>
> >A more constructive way of solving "the greater issue",
> >could have be done by asking in november a question like
> > Bug #391451, about a kernel module, is reported as fixed.
> > What is needed to g
Geert Stappers wrote:
A more constructive way of solving "the greater issue",
could have be done by asking in november a question like
Bug #391451, about a kernel module, is reported as fixed.
What is needed to get in the Debian installer?
One should lead to another, assuming proper ini
Op 11-01-2007 om 13:24 schreef Mathew Binkley:
> Frans Pop wrote:
>
> Since the bug report hasn't changed since my initial bug report, you may
> try that. Those blades are now running RHEL 5. Debian lost its
> opportunity.
Mathew Binkley filed bugreport #391451 on friday october 6th 2006.
On mo
On 13 Jan 2007, at 14:47, Mark Brown wrote:
[...]
Sven hasn't been banned, he decided of his own accord to take a break
for two months:
[...]
OK so can't everyone "decide of their own accord" to give him a break
for these two months?
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On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 01:06:08PM +, Arnaud Delobelle wrote:
> AFAIK Sven Luther has not contributed to this thread and seems to be
> banned from posting on debian lists. Thus it strikes me that to bring
Sven hasn't been banned, he decided of his own accord to take a break
for two months:
On 13 Jan 2007, at 08:49, Holger Levsen wrote:
[...]
I dont think _this_ thread is the cause for Bens perception, rather
those
threads which _started_ with these mails (and others):
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/04/msg00407.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/08/msg
Hi,
On Saturday 13 January 2007 08:47, Joey Hess wrote:
> Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > Yes, I've seen various mails/rants etc... and haven't wanted to take
> > part of it neither in the past, but it looks like this has gone too far,
> > and it's more and more looking like even perfectly good
Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> Yes, I've seen various mails/rants etc... and haven't wanted to take
> part of it neither in the past, but it looks like this has gone too far,
> and it's more and more looking like even perfectly good bug fixes that
> are needed for most users are being rejected on
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 11:40 -0600, Mathew Binkley wrote:
> Greetings. I am the senior system administrator at Vanderbilt
> University's supercomputing center. We operate a 1500 processor cluster
> for researchers at Vanderbilt.
>
> Our current cluster is divided between 840 Intel/AMD x86 process
Joey Hess wrote:
> Much of the rest of Eric's mails were as well.
Er, of course I was confusing Eric Cooper with Mathew Binkley.
Apologies.
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Eric Cooper wrote:
> On the contrary, he attacked nobody personally, and his tone was not
> inflammatory.
Sorry, but "you have failed us" is both a personal attack, and infalmatory.
Much of the rest of Eric's mails were as well. I don't have a problem with
Frans's responses.
> Your response made
Christian Perrier wrote:
> > What I am interested in, as a long-time Debian user, is solving the
> > greater issue of real-world Debian problems not being solved because
> > some developers have raging egos and can't get along.
>
> You're right about that issue.
Except that there's been zero evid
Mathew Binkley wrote:
> I did, by downloading the latest Debian Etch testing iso (which was
> regenerated on January 8, three days ago)
By that date I can intuit that you downloaded a full size CD image, all
of which still have the rc1 installer on them. If you had wanted to get
a newer version of
> What I am interested in, as a long-time Debian user, is solving the
> greater issue of real-world Debian problems not being solved because
> some developers have raging egos and can't get along.
You're right about that issue.
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Frans Pop wrote:
> And we are supposed to guess that by telepathic means or something?
No. However, if the bug wasn't fixed when I asked in September and
October, it won't magically vanish in the intervening time.
> Please file a new installation report [1] including (gzipped!)
Since the bug
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 07:18:24PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> [...]
> False: it was not compiled into the standard Debian kernel. The installer
> does not use custom kernels. This was explained to you at the time.
> [...]
> Please check your facts before sending such mails:
> [...]
> I'll ignore th
On Thursday 11 January 2007 19:29, Mathew Binkley wrote:
> I did, by downloading the latest Debian Etch testing iso (which was
> regenerated on January 8, three days ago) and it failed at exactly the
> same place, with exactly the same error.
And we are supposed to guess that by telepathic means o
Frans Pop wrote:
> Please check your facts before sending such mails:
I did, by downloading the latest Debian Etch testing iso (which was
regenerated on January 8, three days ago) and it failed at exactly the
same place, with exactly the same error.
I did not send my previous email (nor this one
Allow me to correct myself on some minor points.
On Thursday 11 January 2007 19:18, Frans Pop wrote:
> The daily build Etch images have been using this udeb for a bit more
> than a month.
It was even a bit longer: installer images have included the module since
about Nov 20.
> The delay in gett
On Thursday 11 January 2007 18:40, Mathew Binkley wrote:
> Our current cluster is divided between 840 Intel/AMD x86 processors,
> and 672 IBM PowerPC 970FX processors. To date, we have required
> different operating systems on each architecture because of poor OS
> support for the PowerPC's.
> Et
Greetings. I am the senior system administrator at Vanderbilt
University's supercomputing center. We operate a 1500 processor cluster
for researchers at Vanderbilt.
Our current cluster is divided between 840 Intel/AMD x86 processors, and
672 IBM PowerPC 970FX processors. To date, we have requir
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