Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-04-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 10:42:58AM -0700, Brad Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 06:50:54AM -0500, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:30:36PM -0800, Brad Boyer wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > > > So, my questions would be: > > > > - w

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-04-08 Thread Brad Boyer
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 06:50:54AM -0500, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:30:36PM -0800, Brad Boyer wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > > So, my questions would be: > > > - which driver is actually needed in the case of #345467 > > > > swim3.k

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-04-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:30:36PM -0800, Brad Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > So, my questions would be: > > - which driver is actually needed in the case of #345467 > > swim3.ko > > > - is this driver available on the root floppy (built in or module

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-07 Thread Brad Boyer
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 06:41:47AM -0600, vinai wrote: > I made a few small changes to the interrupt call routines so the driver > would compile and work, but was informed that those changes were not > SMP-clean. Then I got lost in work ... I certainly understand. I haven't had time to do anythin

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-07 Thread vinai
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Brad Boyer wrote: On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 02:01:23AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we are using udev, but with a devfs-like naming scheme on top, right ? I strongly believe that swim3.ko is not hotplug friendly, or that udev has some trouble

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-06 Thread Brad Boyer
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 02:01:23AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I guess we are using udev, but with a devfs-like naming scheme on top, right > >? > >I strongly believe that swim3.ko is not hotplug friendly, or that udev has > >some trouble with builtin modules, but i wo

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 11:35:55PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I believe it would be best for all involved if we maintained a list of such > > cases, and had proper workaround in either udev or a separate package, and > > then, actively sear

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe it would be best for all involved if we maintained a list of such > cases, and had proper workaround in either udev or a separate package, and > then, actively search to get those cases fixed in the kernel, either by doing > the develop

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 08:39:28PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, on one hand you say you have no plan to oppose workarounds, but on the > > other hand you clearly oppose such workarounds ? > No, I oppose attempts to require me to maintain the

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, i remember some issues with the firewire module in the sarge timeframe, > and how you actively discouraged a workaround for this. It's hard to be specific since I do not remember the details either, but IIRC I suggested a solution to be im

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 04:25:01PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > By saying that these obsolete drivers should be supported anyway you are > > > basically requesting other people to spend their time maintaining > > > workarounds in their own

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > By saying that these obsolete drivers should be supported anyway you are > > basically requesting other people to spend their time maintaining > > workarounds in their own packages. > Well, we have done this for sarge in a much more extensive w

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 11:19:04AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I think that this is not a position acceptable in debian right now, who aims > >to support many less-supported-arches/subarches, who still struggle to get > >their main patches into mainline. So i believe

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 02:01:23AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I guess we are using udev, but with a devfs-like naming scheme on top, right > >? > >I strongly believe that swim3.ko is not hotplug friendly, or that udev has > >some trouble with builtin modules, but i

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-04 Thread Rogério Brito
On Mar 05 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I guess we are using udev, but with a devfs-like naming scheme on > >top, right ? I strongly believe that swim3.ko is not hotplug > >friendly, or that udev has some trouble with builtin modules, but i > >would go for the first case.

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:30:36PM -0800, Brad Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > So, my questions would be: > > - which driver is actually needed in the case of #345467 > > swim3.ko > > > - is this driver available on the root floppy (built in or module

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-03 Thread Brad Boyer
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 11:50:38PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > On Friday 03 March 2006 23:30, Brad Boyer wrote: > > Are we still using devfs, or have we moved on to using udev? > > The installer uses udev for current 2.6 kernels. Then the likely explanation is that udev doesn't like devices that ar

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 03 March 2006 23:30, Brad Boyer wrote: > Are we still using devfs, or have we moved on to using udev? The installer uses udev for current 2.6 kernels. pgpcgUt6C1aSt.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-03 Thread Brad Boyer
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > So, my questions would be: > - which driver is actually needed in the case of #345467 swim3.ko > - is this driver available on the root floppy (built in or module) > - if it's modular, is it being loaded No idea. Haven't looked. Based

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:04:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > On Sunday 26 February 2006 17:00, Brad Boyer wrote: > > This problem seems pretty simple. The driver floppy.ko is for normal PC > > style floppy controllers. Apple never did use such a beast in a Mac. > > The swim3 driver should handle th

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-03-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 26 February 2006 17:00, Brad Boyer wrote: > This problem seems pretty simple. The driver floppy.ko is for normal PC > style floppy controllers. Apple never did use such a beast in a Mac. > The swim3 driver should handle the floppy drives for all PCI Macs that > have internal floppy drives

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-02-27 Thread Tomasz Grzegurzko
Sven Luther wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:00:34AM -0800, Brad Boyer wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 02:55:10PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 11:38:55PM +0800, Tomasz Grzegurzko wrote: I've been trying to coax the floppy images from http://people.debian.org/~luther/d

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-02-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:00:34AM -0800, Brad Boyer wrote: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 02:55:10PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 11:38:55PM +0800, Tomasz Grzegurzko wrote: > > > I've been trying to coax the floppy images from > > > http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/d

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-02-26 Thread Tomasz Grzegurzko
Brad Boyer wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 02:55:10PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 11:38:55PM +0800, Tomasz Grzegurzko wrote: I've been trying to coax the floppy images from http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy/ (where daily = 25/2/2006) to boot

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-02-26 Thread Brad Boyer
On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 02:55:10PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 11:38:55PM +0800, Tomasz Grzegurzko wrote: > > I've been trying to coax the floppy images from > > http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy/ > > (where daily = 25/2/2006) to boot on a 7200

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 10:00:23PM +0800, Tomasz Grzegurzko wrote: > Just a quick update Sven; I got the bugger working. It looks like your root > disk > is missing a *whole* bunch of stuff from /dev such as /dev/floppy/0 etc and > after a few mknod commands, I was in business. That at least got m

Re: Debian Installer - boot floppies

2006-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 11:38:55PM +0800, Tomasz Grzegurzko wrote: > Hi Sven, > > I've been trying to coax the floppy images from > http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy/ > (where daily = 25/2/2006) to boot on a 7200/75 I've picked up. The > system boots of the disks fi