Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 29 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > 2. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc/bus/usb is mounted? Is > > there some dependency about this? > > For 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 you can't depend on it being mounted. See > usb-kbd.c in kbd-chooser; again

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > I have some questions: > 1. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc is mounted? Is there some > dependency about this? /proc is guaranteed to be mounted in D-I. > 2. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc/bus/usb is mounted? Is > there some depen

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 07:32:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > > > Should I add one additional question or preseeding is enough? > > No, you need to implement automatic detection for this case. > > Please see kbd-chooser.c. It's not all that hard to find the code, nor > should it be all that har

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 29 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > > On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > > > But I think i

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > > But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the >

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host > > > even if its keyboard is not used during the i

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host > > even if its keyboard is not used during the installation. > > I wrote this about installs on serial console, not

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host even > if its keyboard is not used during the installation. I wrote this about installs on serial console, not about UML installs. Anton Zinoviev -- To UNSUB

Re: Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-29 Thread Anton Zinoviev
Console-setup changed a lot since the long mail of Frans Pop. I will make an upload as soon as the current package migrates to testing. In the following I am summarizing some of the changes. On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 05:59:02PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > Size impact > --- 1. T

Reformulation of criticisms about console-setup switch (was: Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long])

2009-06-28 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl): > On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: > > One of the release goals of Debian Installer for squeeze is dropping > > the use of console-data keyboard mappings, to replace them by > > console-setup [1]. > > Here are (finally) the results of my test

Re: Console-Setup switch

2009-01-26 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le Tue 27 Jan 2009 00:46:42 +0100, a écrit : > +# Add some more ambiguity flags > +# Ideally these ambiguities should be expressed in base.xml instead > +$KeyboardNames::countries_keyboards{"BG"}->{"ambiguous"} = 1; > +$KeyboardNames::countries_keyboards{"CZ"}->{"ambiguous"} = 1; >

Re: Console-Setup switch

2009-01-26 Thread Samuel Thibault
Oops, my previous mail was meant to be titled this way of course. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Console-Setup switch

2009-01-23 Thread Christian Perrier
Change in the wiki, by Samuel: >* Include kbd-udeb to the initrd images > - * (to be detailed) get rid of console-data (From Anton: "The most > difficult part inside console-setup is to make the model/layout strings > translatable. The X upstream provides translations in a xml file but I ha

Re: console-setup switch: i18n will be a hot topic-->find smething else?

2007-08-26 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Otavio Salvador ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Shouldn't we go the Ubuntu way and prompt users for some keys to > > decide about the keyboard layout? > > For a begginer, it's better but if you know your keyboard layout I > think is better to be

Re: console-setup switch: i18n will be a hot topic-->find smething else?

2007-08-22 Thread Stefano Canepa
Il giorno gio, 16/08/2007 alle 22.42 +0200, Christian Perrier ha scritto: > I'm slowly having a deeper look at console-setup related issues. > > Now I have a kinda-working setup, however I'm really fearing a quite > big problem: *None* of model/variant/layout/fontsets/etc. names are > internationa

Re: console-setup switch: i18n will be a hot topic-->find smething else?

2007-08-20 Thread Eddy Petrișor
Otavio Salvador wrote: > Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Shouldn't we go the Ubuntu way and prompt users for some keys to >> decide about the keyboard layout? > > For a begginer, it's better but if you know your keyboard layout I > think is better to be able to choose it direct

Re: console-setup switch: i18n will be a hot topic-->find smething else?

2007-08-20 Thread Otavio Salvador
Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Shouldn't we go the Ubuntu way and prompt users for some keys to > decide about the keyboard layout? For a begginer, it's better but if you know your keyboard layout I think is better to be able to choose it directly. That's my personal idea. --

console-setup switch: i18n will be a hot topic-->find smething else?

2007-08-19 Thread Christian Perrier
I'm slowly having a deeper look at console-setup related issues. Now I have a kinda-working setup, however I'm really fearing a quite big problem: *None* of model/variant/layout/fontsets/etc. names are internationalized. The name are *hardcoded* in the .config script and the number of names is HU

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-15 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-=| Anton Zinoviev, 15.08.2007 12:01 |=- > These questions were asked by console-cyrillic. I tried again with the image Christian prepared. Same result - console-cyrillic is installed. Then, grub is installed, and *then* some finish-install thing appeared on VC4 and console-setup was installed.

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-15 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 10:35:12PM +0300, Damyan Ivanov wrote: > > The title of the question about the keyboard layout is, quoted "[!] > Cyrillic on Console". Default is "Bulgarian BDS" (in Bulgarian). I > select "Bulgarian phonetic". > > Next question os about the layout switch. I choose "Alt+Sh

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-14 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [CC me on replies, thanks] - -=| Anton Zinoviev, 11.08.2007 11:24 |=- > On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 08:56:18AM +0300, Damyan Ivanov wrote: >> - -=| Anton Zinoviev, 10.08.2007 18:26 |=- >>> Where did you chose "Bulgarian Phonetic"? In console-setup's debc

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-11 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 08:56:18AM +0300, Damyan Ivanov wrote: > > - -=| Anton Zinoviev, 10.08.2007 18:26 |=- > > Where did you chose "Bulgarian Phonetic"? In console-setup's debconf > > question of in console-cyrillic? (I suppose both should have asked.) > > I am not sure which one it was, but

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [please CC me if replying on d-boot. thanks] - -=| Anton Zinoviev, 10.08.2007 18:26 |=- > Where did you chose "Bulgarian Phonetic"? In console-setup's debconf > question of in console-cyrillic? (I suppose both should have asked.) I am not sure whic

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
> > I think this deserves to be reported against perl-base. > > > > ...or not. > > Maybe console-setup should "Depends: perl" and not "Depends: perl-base" Which means that, once we switch to console-setup, every install will have perl (aka perl-base+perl-modules) installed. Probably not a good

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
> The problem arises with a bulgarian or esperanto install because > perl-modules is not installed (I just checked on an Esperanto > install). > > I think this deserves to be reported against perl-base. > ...or not. Maybe console-setup should "Depends: perl" and not "Depends: perl-base" --

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Anton Zinoviev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > Setting up console font and keymap... can't locate unicore/PVA.pl in > > > @INC (@INC > > > contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 ... > > > /usr/share/perl/5.8/usr/local/lib/site-perl .) at > > > /usr/share/perl/5.8/utf8_heavy.pl line 80

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Christian Perrier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Notu, dum mia provo mi elektis la 'Dvorak'-klavaranĝon. > > Notez que, durant mon test j'ai choisi le clavier Dvorak. > > > (Serge mentions that he did choose the Dvorak keyboard layout during > his tests) > > Well, that will make a difference w

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
(dunno if I need to keep you both CC'ed. Probably useless for Damyan...unsure for Anton) > I suppose tasksel installed console-cyrillic together with the other > Bulgarian-related packages. Indeed, no. The "culprit" here is the "cyrillic" task. I mentioned this on the wiki page: tasksel will need

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 04:52:59PM +0300, Damyan Ivanov wrote: > > I tested with Bulgarian. After the reboot I notdt that both > console-setup and console-cyryllic are installed. My impression was > that console-cyrillic is no longer needed so I removed it. I suppose tasksel installed console-cyr

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Anton Zinoviev
[CC to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 12:22:42PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > > > Setting up console font and keymap... can't locate unicore/PVA.pl in > > @INC (@INC > > contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 ... > > /usr/share/perl/5.8/usr/local/lib/site-perl .) at > > /usr/shar

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
> Notu, dum mia provo mi elektis la 'Dvorak'-klavaranĝon. > Notez que, durant mon test j'ai choisi le clavier Dvorak. (Serge mentions that he did choose the Dvorak keyboard layout during his tests) Well, that will make a difference with the test I'm running right now as I did choose the French k

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Serge Leblanc
On ven, 2007-08-10 at 16:01 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > I'm not sure I'll be able to investigate this deeper (I'll try an > > > Esperanto install...the language is easy to understand enough for a > > > speaker of a Latin-based language...). I suggest reporting the issue > > > against con

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
> I tested with Bulgarian. After the reboot I notdt that both > console-setup and console-cyryllic are installed. My impression was that Ouch. console-cyrillic is not supposed to be there..:-(. I wonde what dit it drive here. The place where console-cyrillic is installed is localechooser's finish

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
> > I'm not sure I'll be able to investigate this deeper (I'll try an > > Esperanto install...the language is easy to understand enough for a > > speaker of a Latin-based language...). I suggest reporting the issue > > against console-setup with as many details as possible > > OK. What details ar

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-=| Christian Perrier, 10.08.2007 09:08 |=- > The most important languages to test are Bulgarian, Russian, French, > [...] I tested with Bulgarian. After the reboot I notdt that both console-setup and console-cyryllic are installed. My impression was that console-cyrillic is no longer needed so I

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread MJ Ray
Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Apparently, the problem arises when /etc/init.d/console-setup is > launched when the installed system reboots. > > Given that my personal tests with French were OK, I suspect something > weird in the handling of Esperanto default settings by c-s

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I translated the request to debian-esperanto and the heroic Serge > Leblanc has already tested it! He reports a serious bug, which I've > tried to translate below. Is this a known bug? If not, do I need > to report it somewhere else? Thanks for this, MJ, th

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 08:08:54AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > The most important languages to test are Bulgarian, Russian, French, > Esperanto, Macedonian, Georgian, Greek, Lithuanian, > Ukrainian.correct *console* support for Thai, Vietnamese, Arabic, > Hebrew is not really expected a

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread Anton Zinoviev
[This reply only to debian-boot, next to debian-i18n also] On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 08:08:54AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > +console-setup) > > + apt-install console-setup || true > > + db_set debian-installer/keymap '' || true > > + ;; > > esac This is required only if consol

Re: [D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-10 Thread MJ Ray
I translated the request to debian-esperanto and the heroic Serge Leblanc has already tested it! He reports a serious bug, which I've tried to translate below. Is this a known bug? If not, do I need to report it somewhere else? Serge Leblanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in debian-esperanto: > The

[D-I] Status of console-setup switch

2007-08-09 Thread Christian Perrier
(this mail is of some interest for users of Arabic, Belarusian, Bulgarian, Esperanto, French, Georgian, Greek, Hebrew, Lithuanian, Macedonian, Russian, Thai, Ukrainian, Vietnamese) The first step for the console-setup switch ("db_set debian-installer/charmap UTF-8" in localechooser) w