On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:28:58AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josh Triplett wrote:
> > If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
> > the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
> > kernel messages and systemd messages.
>
> Note that the hiding of sys
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:59:21AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> On 22.01.2014 17:50, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >I don't know what isn't working there; you might try the systemd IRC
> >channel or mailing list, to see if they know what's going on.
>
> I just tried running it in a terminal and got:
Hi Josh,
On 22.01.2014 17:50, Josh Triplett wrote:
Odd. Please report a bug in the fd.o bugzilla on the i915 driver.
This seems to be already reported [1], as i915.disable_power_well=0
stops the errors (but there is still mode change).
I tried:
sudo journalctl -F BOOTCHART
This gave no ou
Josh Triplett (2014-01-22):
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 08:20:18AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > Josh Triplett (2014-01-21):
> > > In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
> > > installing plymouth as long as the "splash" option is *not* included by
> > > default. It's a
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 08:20:18AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Josh Triplett (2014-01-21):
> > In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
> > installing plymouth as long as the "splash" option is *not* included by
> > default. It's a minor waste of disk space if unused, b
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 04:28:27AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> On 22.01.2014 03:05, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 02:53:51AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> >>And yes, the latter option would be easier for the user, but
> >>probably more difficult for the package maintaine
Josh Triplett (2014-01-21):
> In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
> installing plymouth as long as the "splash" option is *not* included by
> default. It's a minor waste of disk space if unused, but it might be
> worth the convenience of being able to quickly turn on t
On 22.01.2014 03:05, Josh Triplett wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 02:53:51AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Why do you think it would be bad to enable 'splash' by default?
Because then the splash screen would show up. :)
See my previous mails in this thread; I would like to avoid having a
sp
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 02:53:51AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> On 22.01.2014 01:30, j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
> >On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:53:05AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> >>So you agree that it is easy enough to manually remove the 'splash'
> >>boot option if you don't like it (
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 01:34:18AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> Hi Joey,
>
> On 20.01.2014 16:28, Joey Hess wrote:
> >Josh Triplett wrote:
> >>If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
> >>the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
> >>kernel
Hi Josh,
On 22.01.2014 01:30, j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:53:05AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
So you agree that it is easy enough to manually remove the 'splash'
boot option if you don't like it (assuming it was enabled by
default)?
I don't see where you got th
Hi Joey,
On 20.01.2014 16:28, Joey Hess wrote:
Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
Note that the hiding of systemd messages is unintent
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:53:05AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> On 21.01.2014 23:14, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
> >installing plymouth as long as the "splash" option is *not* included by
> >default. It's a minor waste of disk space
Hi Josh,
On 21.01.2014 23:14, Josh Triplett wrote:
In that case, to clarify further: I don't have any objection to
installing plymouth as long as the "splash" option is *not* included by
default. It's a minor waste of disk space if unused, but it might be
worth the convenience of being able to
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 07:43:41PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> On 21.01.2014 03:35, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > If splash were a non-default boot option, and plymouth did nothing
> > unless the kernel command line had that option, that seems entirely
> > reasonable. Very easily done; just add t
Hi Josh,
On 21.01.2014 03:35, Josh Triplett wrote:
> If splash were a non-default boot option, and plymouth did nothing
> unless the kernel command line had that option, that seems entirely
> reasonable. Very easily done; just add this to the plymouth service,
> for instance:
> ConditionKernelCo
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:43:02AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Quietness on success has some significant advantages to justify not
> > disabling it
>
> Is quietness of success actually intended to be a default property of
> systemd? If a lot of distributions default to addin
Josh Triplett wrote:
> I wasn't suggesting a requirement; I was suggesting that if systemd
> becomes the default, there will likely be advantages to switching d-i to
> use the same init that installed Debian systems do.
It's possible I suppose, but since d-i doesn't currently use Debian's
init sys
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:12:21PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> Hi Josh,
>
> On 20.01.2014 02:07, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
> >the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
> >kernel messages and systemd me
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 06:05:23PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
> >
> > If Debian ends up adopting systemd as the default, that seems likely to
> > change.
>
> Seems unlikely; I doubt that the Linux kernel will ever require system
Hi Josh,
On 20.01.2014 02:07, Josh Triplett wrote:
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
In my opinion the boot options 'quiet' (hide unnecessary kernel
messa
Josh Triplett wrote:
> > The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
>
> If Debian ends up adopting systemd as the default, that seems likely to
> change.
Seems unlikely; I doubt that the Linux kernel will ever require systemd
to boot an embedded system such as d-i.
> Given that the resulting ins
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 01:19:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Do you mean the options used within d-i itself, or on the installed
> > system?
>
> The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
If Debian ends up adopting systemd as the default, that seems likely to
change.
> >
Josh Triplett wrote:
> Do you mean the options used within d-i itself, or on the installed
> system?
The latter; d-i does not run with systemd.
> If you mean the latter, that configuration is owned by the grub-common
> package, not by d-i.
grub-installer configures the grub menu file to include
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:28:58AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josh Triplett wrote:
> > If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
> > the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
> > kernel messages and systemd messages.
>
> Note that the hiding of sys
Josh Triplett wrote:
> If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
> the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
> kernel messages and systemd messages.
Note that the hiding of systemd messages is unintentional, and can make
debugging a system that fa
If the goal here is to hide the boot messages by default, note that
the default kernel command line includes "quiet", which hides most
kernel messages and systemd messages.
Apart from that, I'd echo a frequent description I've seen of splash
screens: "a splash screen exists so that while you're wa
Hi,
On 05.01.2014 11:51, Julien Cristau wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 08:29:24 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
OK, then. Reassigning to tasksel (as we should have done for quite a
while, indeed
It is probably best to include plymouth in tasksel, but still the
installer would have to rec
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 08:29:24 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> reassign 734093 tasksel
> retitle 734093 Please include plymouth in task-desktop
> thanks
>
> (proposal to install plymouth, that "provides an attractive boot
> animation in place of the text messages that normally get shown. Text
reassign 734093 tasksel
retitle 734093 Please include plymouth in task-desktop
thanks
(proposal to install plymouth, that "provides an attractive boot
animation in place of the text messages that normally get shown. Text
messages are instead redirected to a logfile for viewing after
boot. "...by d
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org:
> reassign 734093 tasksel
Bug #734093 [debian-installer] debian-installer: install plymouth by default
Bug reassigned from package 'debian-installer' to 'tasksel'.
Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #734093 to the same values
previousl
On Samstag, 4. Januar 2014, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed?
this seems like a very reasonable approach to me.
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On 04.01.2014 11:06, Daniel Baumann wrote:
there is no problem with plymouth on systems that do not have a display
attached.
Thanks for providing this information.
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On 04.01.2014 00:19, Steve McIntyre wrote:
No, please! Let's not add more fluff to the base system.
Maybe it is better to install plymouth only, if task-desktop is installed?
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On 01/03/2014 09:23 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> It would be good to know, if plymouth handles such situations
> gracefully.
there is no problem with plymouth on systems that do not have a display
attached.
on systems that only support text modes, the text plugin is used
(package plymouth with
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 14:59 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> > Package: debian-installer
> > Severity: wishlist
> > X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré
> >
> > Dear Maintainer,
> >
> > in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré r
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 08:05:42PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
>Andreas Cadhalpun (2014-01-03):
>> Package: debian-installer
>> Severity: wishlist
>> X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré
>>
>> Dear Maintainer,
>>
>> in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
>> plymouth install
On 03.01.2014 21:37, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
I like the fact a debian base system by default is a working base system,
with no useless junk for me to have to remove later.
Perhaps if I slected 'graphical desktop' in the task selector, then it
could be considered, but as part of the default base
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:23:58PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> Thanks for this hint, I hadn't thought about it.
> It would be good to know, if plymouth handles such situations
> gracefully. I CC'ed Daniel Baumann, the maintainer of plymouth, so
> that he can answer this question.
>
> I'd cal
Hi,
On 03.01.2014 20:59, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
>> Package: debian-installer
>> Severity: wishlist
>> X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré
>>
>> Dear Maintainer,
>>
>> in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> Package: debian-installer
> Severity: wishlist
> X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
> plymouth installed by default.
Not all systems supporte
On 03.01.2014 20:50, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Yes, I checked the BTS before replying. I'm just not sure end users
having troubles to boot are actually able to work around those issues
and to report bugs. (I've at least seen people switch distro instead of
figuring out what went wrong.)
That's of
Andreas Cadhalpun (2014-01-03):
> I know that plymouth had a problem with '--retain-splash' and gdm
> 3.4 but that has been fixed by introducing gdm 3.8.
Ah, that might be what I saw a few months ago.
> Currently plymouth has only one bug and that is tagged moreinfo.
Yes, I checked the BTS befo
Hi KiBi,
On 03.01.2014 20:05, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Last I remember from squeeze (didn't check wheezy too much), plymouth
was quite buggy/broken, and has been RC buggy for a long while (hello
libdrm-nouveau); I'm not sure it's a good idea to install it by default,
but I'm happy to take opinions
Andreas Cadhalpun (2014-01-03):
> Package: debian-installer
> Severity: wishlist
> X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
> plymouth installed by default.
>
> While some want to have it and some don't, I think it
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: Antoine Beaupré
Dear Maintainer,
in his installation report [1] Antoine Beaupré requested to have
plymouth installed by default.
While some want to have it and some don't, I think it really might be a
good idea to install plymouth b
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