Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 00:28 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: > [...] >> >> Such an explicit message would probably use printk_emit() and pass >> >> structured data with the filename and the ides from the kernel to >> >> userspace, and on systemd sys

Re: Processed: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 23:19 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Michael Biebl >> wrote: >> > This was removed upstream [1] and is highly unlikely to be added back. >> > Especially considering that the user space f

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 00:28 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: [...] > >> Such an explicit message would probably use printk_emit() and pass > >> structured data with the filename and the ides from the kernel to > >> userspace, and on systemd systems the journal would pick up the > >> MESSAGE_ID and do some

Re: Processed: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 23:19 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > This was removed upstream [1] and is highly unlikely to be added back. > > Especially considering that the user space firmware loader is scheduled > > to be removed sooner rather then

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 00:32 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 13.12.2013 00:12, schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: > >> The Debian installer needs a way to load the firmware during > >> installation, otherwise the netinst.iso is pretty useless for WL

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 13.12.2013 00:34, schrieb Michael Biebl: > See also > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-November/014771.html > > But that thread just echoes what Kay already said, that user-space > firmware loading is deprecated a

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 13.12.2013 00:26, schrieb Michael Biebl: >> Am 13.12.2013 00:12, schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: >>> The Debian installer needs a way to load the firmware during >>> installation, otherwise the netinst.iso is pretty useless for WLAN >>> device

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 13.12.2013 00:34, schrieb Michael Biebl: > According to codesearch.d.n, hw-detect is the only tool using > /run/udev/firmware-missing. I'm inclined to re-assign this bug to > hw-detect and let the hw-detect maintainers decided how to handle this. > If something like the isenkram approach would

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 13.12.2013 00:26, schrieb Michael Biebl: > Am 13.12.2013 00:12, schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: >> The Debian installer needs a way to load the firmware during >> installation, otherwise the netinst.iso is pretty useless for WLAN >> devices with non-free firmware. >> Since a majority of the WLAN devi

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 13.12.2013 00:12, schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: >> The Debian installer needs a way to load the firmware during >> installation, otherwise the netinst.iso is pretty useless for WLAN >> devices with non-free firmware. >> Since a majority of t

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 12.12.2013 23:19, Kay Sievers wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Michael Biebl >> wrote: >>> This was removed upstream [1] and is highly unlikely to be added back. >>> Especially considering that the user space firmware load

Re: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 13.12.2013 00:12, schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: > The Debian installer needs a way to load the firmware during > installation, otherwise the netinst.iso is pretty useless for WLAN > devices with non-free firmware. > Since a majority of the WLAN devices need non-free firmware, just > dropping this f

Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 12.12.2013 23:19, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: >> This was removed upstream [1] and is highly unlikely to be added back. >> Especially considering that the user space firmware loader is scheduled >> to be removed sooner rather then later. >

Re: Processed: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > This was removed upstream [1] and is highly unlikely to be added back. > Especially considering that the user space firmware loader is scheduled > to be removed sooner rather then later. > > This most likely means d-i needs to be updated to

Re: Processed: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.12.2013 21:48, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: > Processing control commands: > >> reassign -1 udev 204-5 > Bug #725714 [installation-reports] installation-reports: Recent netinst.iso > doesn't write missing firmware to /run/udev/firmware-missing > Bug reassigned from package 'installat

Processed: Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing control commands: > reassign -1 udev 204-5 Bug #725714 [installation-reports] installation-reports: Recent netinst.iso doesn't write missing firmware to /run/udev/firmware-missing Bug reassigned from package 'installation-reports' to 'udev'. Ignoring request to alter found versions of

Bug#725714: udev firmware loading does not work in the Debian installer

2013-12-12 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Control: reassign -1 udev 204-5 Hi, On 12.12.2013 19:43, Ben Hutchings wrote: Yes. This is what is supposed to happen when firmware is missing: 1. The driver requests firmware. 2. The kernel tries to load a file under /lib/firmware, and fails. (This is not implemented in the wheezy kernel