Re: Bug#760778: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-08 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Le 08/09/2014 14:30, Michael Biebl a écrit : I fail to see why a11y would be important enough to force it to Xfce installations while not beeing important enough to force it to default installations. Right, we can probably add it to task-desktop instead. Joey? I'm not sure if this is the right

Re: Bug#760778: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Michael Biebl, le Mon 08 Sep 2014 14:30:56 +0200, a écrit : > >> I fail to see why a11y would be important enough to force it to Xfce > >> installations while not beeing important enough to force it to default > >> installations. > > > > Right, we can probably add it to task-desktop instead. Joey?

Re: Bug#760778: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-08 Thread Michael Biebl
>> I fail to see why a11y would be important enough to force it to Xfce >> installations while not beeing important enough to force it to default >> installations. > > Right, we can probably add it to task-desktop instead. Joey? I'm not sure if this is the right approach. Isn't there a risk that

Bug#760778: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Mon 08 Sep 2014 10:37:34 +0200, a écrit : > What I'm against is forcing stuff onto users which have exactly no need > for it. With that kind of reasoning we would install the complete set of > packages in every installed system “just in case”. There is a big difference in the

Bug#760778: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-08 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim., 2014-09-07 at 16:28 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > So, I see no problem with adding gnome-orca to task-xfce-desktop, given > those installation size numbers. I do. > > I sympathize with Yves in wanting to keep the xfce4-* packages > containing only actual upstream XFCE stuff; (OT: Yves-Alexi

Bug#760778: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-07 Thread Michael Gilbert
>> > > I sympathise with a11y, but forcing gnome-orca on everyone won't >> > > happen. >> > >> > Well, that is actually precisely our goal: to have gnome-orca installed >> > on all systems, ready to be started in case one needs it. >> >> Then it's unrelated to Xfce, and you want to include that in

Processed: Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-07 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing control commands: > reassign -1 task-xfce-desktop Bug #760778 [xfce4-session] xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca Bug reassigned from package 'xfce4-session' to 'task-xfce-desktop'. No longer marked as found in versions xfce4-session/4.10.1-8. Ignoring request to alter fixed vers

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Control: reassign -1 task-xfce-desktop Control: tags -1 - wontfix Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 22:23:34 +0200, a écrit : > On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:53 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 21:15:19 +0200, a écrit : > > > On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:13 +020

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-07 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Control: tag -1 wontfix On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:53 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 21:15:19 +0200, a écrit : > > On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:13 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Well, for a blind user, it *is*!... > > > > Sure, but not everyone's blind. >

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 21:15:19 +0200, a écrit : > On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:13 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Well, for a blind user, it *is*!... > > Sure, but not everyone's blind. And not everyone speaks all languages on earth, yet we install all language files by default, wh

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-07 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:13 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Well, for a blind user, it *is*!... Sure, but not everyone's blind. I sympathise with a11y, but forcing gnome-orca on everyone won't happen. > > Anyhow, what do you propose to fix the accessibility of XFCE? Adding > the > dependency to

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

2014-09-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 21:06:43 +0200, a écrit : > > ATM, with a fresh XFCE installation, enabling "Enable assitive > > technologies" does not actually start the orca screen reader, because > > the screen reader does not get installed along the XFCE installation. > > XFCE should thus