As a matter of fact, the solution I posted doesn't work either.
Therefore, be sure on the man page, to mention the true sequence needed:
# debootstrap
(missing step goes here)
# debootstrap --second-stage
Maybe the document should say "don't worry, the installer process will walk you
through this.
/tmp: well I just use tmpfs.
Also the worst thing is if one searches on Google for /var /home vs.
just / Debian articles, he will find ../jessie/.. and has to put in the
word ../stretch/.. in the URL to
Package: installation-reports
Severity: minor
Just want to let you know after a fresh install, when booting into
"(recovery mode)" from the grub menu, and typing the root passwd,
# cat
^C
doesn't interrupt cat, etc.
One needs ^Z, then "kill %" to stop it.
Yes, these just reported the same as on a
Package: debian-installer
Severity: minor
I recall when the graphical installer got to this message,
Name: partman-crypto/progress/plain_erase_text
Type: text
Description: The installer is now overwriting ${DEVICE} with zeroes to delete
its previous contents. This step may be skipped by ca
OK. The package is actually installed. It is just the message about that
being buffered until the next interaction probably.
All I know is I researched what ISO I could put on a USB stick
and take to my mountain for a minimal install with no network.
It worked fine, after I added that nomodeset line.
It is a shame if officially debian no longer can be installed without a
network.
Actually try this:
When you get to the popularity-contest question, wait a few moments,
then answer "no".
Later examine the logs.
You will see actual installation (and then removal) indeed occurs
*after* the user has answered "no".
So the user's eyes didn't fool him after all.
I'll be very happy to help you test this week.
Next week I wish to proceed with final installation though.
BH> Was the firmware (firmware-amd-graphics package) installed on your test
BH> system?
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=925556#25
mentions what ISO I used, and all logs are
retitle 925556 Use UUID, not sdX on grub linux lines
thanks
The problem simply turns out to be:
grub lines like
linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64 root=/dev/sdb2 ro quiet
are simply bound to fail:
When the computer boots, no matter when for the installer, or later, the
installed
Package: installation-reports
With the latest AMD CPUs the kernel will attempt to use the AMDGPU
kernel driver. Alas this will result in a black screen on the minimal
system installed by the installer.
Therefore on all three of these lines in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
linux /boot/vmlinuz-... root=.
I suppose in the logs, of
Mar 27 23:38:24 in-target: Preparing to unpack
.../popularity-contest_1.64_all.deb ...
Mar 27 23:38:24 in-target: Unpacking popularity-contest (1.64) ...
Mar 27 23:38:24 in-target: Setting up popularity-contest (1.64) ...
Mar 27 23:38:24 in-target: Removing popularity-co
Trying again with expert install and some different choices,
and putting nomodeset in the grub finally booted it. I'll send new logs soon.
Package: debian-installer
Severity: minor
The Installer splash screen should show the version number.
Maybe just have a message: "press TAB to see all available commands."
That would show both built-ins and non builtins. (Hope TAB works.)
Package: debian-installer
Severity: minor
Let's say you are asking the user what time zone he is in for some country:
Eastern Time Zone
Plains Time Zone
Mountain Time Zone
Other
Well I recall in expert mode installation, UTC is also always present:
Eastern Time Zone
Plains Time Zone
Mountain Ti
Package: debian-installer
Severity: minor
In tasksel_first_0.png
the user is totally helpless trying to figure out what you mean by
"Standard system utilities"
So give some examples. Say
"Standard system utilities (cat, ls...)" or
"Standard system utilities (gnome, kde...)" or
something, anything
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
Here on partman_choose_partition_0.png
we see both things that are about to be changed, and things that will
stay the same, but we can't tell which are which.
So right after the words "write changes to disk" you need to add "(You
will be first shown a
Package: debian-installer
Severity: minor
Please also ask "Do not configure the network at this time" *before* trying
to configure the network. Not only after, and failing.
That way users installing offline wouldn't need to answer several futile
questions and have futile DHCP packets sent to the
Package: debian-installer
Users often hear "Stretch", "Buster", but on the installer, they see
just "Debian 9".
Therefore please make it say "Debian 9 (Stretch)" or "Debian 9 Stretch".
In fact much wiser would be to do what iOS does, and keep them a top secret.
https://medium.com/@viswa127/apples
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
In bug #925556, I showed you what a failed install looks like to a user
who has booted via grub's "(recovery mode)" entries.
If the user hadn't touched the keyboard, a normal boot would instead
proceed, whereupon the user would just end up on a black s
Package: debian-installer
Severity: wishlist
The menus are great,
But you forgot one item.
"Reboot".
You see, no matter how the user scours the menus,
he cannot find the proper way to exit (reboot).
"Well he is supposed to know how to do that himself!"
Yes, but he wants the "proper" way to ge
Package: debian-installer
Today let's discuss Rescue Mode.
I think you should offer a second rescue mode choice.
Call it "Quick Rescue Mode".
List it right after Rescue Mode.
Quick Rescue Mode would drop the user into a shell right away.
No questions about languages. Yup, unfair. Sorry.
No
Package: debian-installer
Severity: minor
Here there is a high chance the user will chose the wrong item,
because he does not recall which of his disks are which.
Therefore you need to present more details, which yes, can fit on the
same line. Add sizes and partition types and disk label stuff etc
logs.gz
Description: application/gzip
I tried installing again. (This time with no network.) The normal
graphical install. All goes fine, but in the logs there is one "Failed
to get":
$ grep -A 2 'Failed to get' syslog |cut -c 17-
base-installer: warning: Failed to get debconf answer
'base-installer/kernel/linux/initrd'.
base-install
> "SM" == Steve McIntyre writes:
SM> Please attach the installer syslog so we have a chance to see what
SM> happened. On the installed system, that's in /var/log/installer/syslog
What should I give at that
initramfs prompt you see
that would put it on the screen?
Then I could take a photograp
Package: debian-installer
User has a USB drive, loaded with
$ mount
/dev/sdg2 on /var/cache/apt/archives type ext4
/dev/sdg1 on /var/lib/apt/lists type ext4
He takes this drive, along with another drive,
containing a Debian installation ISO, to a remote mountain (offline)
computer, intending to i
LS> Clearly the initramfs was able to mount /dev and run fsck, but mounting
LS> it to /root/dev to transfer to the real rootfs failed due to a missing
LS> directory.
So it booted, meaning it is not a
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s06.html.en#UEFI
problem...
Package: debian-installer
Here the user is left staring at an empty screen. (Many look that way
for a while at the beginning. Even with the latest fastest hardware.)
Not for long you might say.
But long enough for the user to scratch his head, and then casually get
out his cellphone and take a p
Package: debian-installer
In https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI
We read
"debian-installer's support for UEFI is mostly contained in two modules.
First comes the partman-efi module, and this will be loaded
automatically if d-i recognises it has been booted in UEFI mode."
The problem here is that on e
Package: d-i.debian.org
Severity: wishlist
Cannot scroll to bottom of 'help on partitioning' screen... too long...
no way to read all the way to the bottom.
Package: console-setup-linux
Version: 1.158
dpkg: warning: while removing console-setup-linux, directory
'/etc/console-setup' not empty so not removed
OK I'll remove by hand
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4147 2014-02-24 /etc/console-setup/Uni2-Fixed16.psf.gz
Well just as if one's country must install a missle defense system just
to ask the question if they should install the missle defense system...
and then remove the missle defense system...
But OK maybe there are some translation strings unavailable from e.g.,
$ for package in popularity-contest; do
Package: installation-reports
Using
DISTRIB_RELEASE="9 (stretch) - installer build 20161212-00:04"
the user chooses "No", the default, to the popularity-contest question.
He notices through the corner of his eye, something about the package
flashing by on the screen anyway!
Indeed the logs expos
Package: installation-reports
Using
DISTRIB_RELEASE="9 (stretch) - installer build 20161212-00:04"
when getting to the question about saving logs,
the user is prompted with /mnt .
At this point the user wants to GO BACK to choose "open a shell" to
inspect what places are in fact mounted.
However
Package: os-prober
Version: 1.71
With os-prober installed and then running update-grub and grub-install
all I know is after rebooting I couldn't use any USB stuff after Debian
started the main boot choice.
As I depend on a USB keyboard, the only way to regain control of my
computer again was to h
found 582231 1.71
thanks
Removing os-prober (1.71) ...
dpkg: warning: while removing os-prober, directory '/var/lib/os-prober' not
empty so not removed
# find /var/lib/os-prober -ls
1443133 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 24 12:21
/var/lib/os-prober
1442408 4 -rw-r-
OK, I have captured both:
$ pstree -al
During the first occasion:
`-aptitude safe-upgrade
|-sh -c /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
| `-dpkg-preconfigu -w /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt
| |-(dpkg-preconfigu)
Package: keyboard-configuration
Version: 1.151
During upgrade the user gets asked the same question twice.
The first time is at
Preconfiguring packages ...
The second time is when (viewed with pstree -al):
`-frontend -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend
/var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.posti
Package: keyboard-configuration
Version: 1.149
Severity: wishlist
We are asked "Keep the current keyboard layout in the configuration file?
The current keyboard layout in the configuration file
/etc/default/keyboard is defined as ...
.
Please choose whether you want to keep it. If you choose t
I hope the main focus of everything is memory sticks these days.
Package: busybox
$ busybox #or
$ busybox --help
should say what --install and --list do, as there is no way to
cautiously find out when offline.
I was going to report this upstream, but there are big browser warnings
about https certificate expired on their site. Version 1.23.
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Severity: wishlist
Regarding
! 5.1.2. Booting from Windows
!
! To start the installer from Windows, you can either
!
! obtain CD-ROM/DVD-ROM or USB memory stick installation media as described in
Section 4.1, “Official Debian GNU/Linux CD/DVD-ROM Sets” respective Sect
1% would be fine...
Else one day when they e.g., want to upgrade from ext4 to ext5 etc. and face
http://www.debian-administration.org/article/643/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem
and end up with Kernel panic – not syncing Attempted to kill init when
something goes wrong.
All be
Package: debian-installer
Please do not make the default for beginners making the whole disk one
big partition anymore.
Just leave a little free space just in case...
You never know when they might need to tune their unmounted file system
etc...
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Package: discover1
Version: 1.7.21
Severity: wishlist
May I suggest putting something about the difference between discover1
and discover in the package Descriptions, and not wait until the user
has installed the package only to find in the Readme:
Discover 1.5 has only minimal support for kern
Package: discover1
Version: 1.7.18
Severity: normal
File: /sbin/discover
saw in dmesg:
pcmcia: Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage from process: discover.
pcmcia: This interface will soon be removed from the kernel; please expect
breakage unless you upgrade to new t
ools.
pcmcia: see http://ww
> "Choose a country, territory or area:"
How about just one of
"Choose a territory:" or
"Choose an area:" or
"Choose a region:"?
One size fits all.
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Well, if it's a known issue, fix it fast because "customers" are
getting the "I knew it, Linux is broken" message within 30 seconds of
encountering linux. And of course "the geeks don't see the problem" with it
nor their geeky pencil protectors, etc.
OK, geeky compromise: replace it with the ANSI
Booting woody, after the computer boots a bitmapped penguin appears
above the "dmesg" messages. But halfway through those messages the
penguin's colors "go wacko". Maybe this is on purpose, an art
effect. Do others see this?
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Ch> Having said that, the instructions are in the install directory on
Ch> the CD, which is where you'd have to look for the installer
Ch> program anyway. And the README.txt in the root directory includes
Ch> the location of the instructions. I guess you could blindly boot
Ch> with the CD in the
Dan Jacobson reflects on his brush with the 8 debian woody CDs:
When one installs from the CD's one is directed to www.debian.org for
instructions from one of those installation screens... one might not
notice that the instructions are right on disk... so the installation
screen should me
Oh and by the way, when we go to www.debian.org for installation
instructions, we might be getting information that is not appropriate
for the CD's at hand. E.g. at www.debian.org I see instructions for
2.2 installation, but I have 3.0 CD's. Therefore saying where to look
on the CD's themselves
During woody installation I remember it says "for installation
instructions see www.debian.org".
You could also in addition say "or see /some/directory/html/ right on
this installation CD!", as 1. we might not want to make a phone call
to check instructions. 2. we might not even have a modem, no
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to gnu.emacs.bug as well.
I got debian woody and emacs is 20.7. I thought debian was supposed
to real advanced or something, but why old emacs?
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>>>>> "Adam" == Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Adam> Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew M Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >> i noticed that a de
> "Andrew" == Andrew M Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> i noticed that a default debian instalation will purge one's cache
>> right away... somethng to warn about say if one were to boot debian
>> one day with a shared chache on one's main disk
Andrew> You need to tell the Debian packa
> "J" == John H Robinson, IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I use chrony on my other linux distribution. please ask the user if
>> he agrees to writing the software clock to the hardware clock before
>> doing this in the rc. scripts! the first time we notice it it is too
>> late.
J> during
sure hope non subscribers can mail to this group, and hope one day to
be able to read it via nntp. also the name "boot" doesn't 100% match
the description "installation' ...
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