Bug#764982: Backports, 2B || !2B

2015-04-19 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Geert Stappers (stapp...@stappers.nl): > reopen 764982 > stop I really don't think this is a good idea and I'm this close to re-close the bug report. If anyone feels that "something should be done for backports", please open a new bug report, eventually cloning 764982 in order to keep hi

Re: Bug#780573: release-notes: Review from the d-i team

2015-04-19 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Holger Wansing (li...@wansing-online.de): > I have double-checked, Tajik is indeed not available in Wheezy installer, > but in Jessie. And it is available in both text and graphical installer > in Jessie. By the way, Tajik is, IIRC, not 100% complete in the Jessie installer: Charset is

Bug#782976: debian-installer-netboot-images packages kfreebsd images but kfreebsd is not in jessie.

2015-04-19 Thread peter green
Release team: theres a question for you at the end of the mail. On 20/04/15 00:49, Cyril Brulebois wrote: peter green (2015-04-20): Package: debian-installer-netboot-images Severity: serious The RC policy states "Packages must be buildable within the same release.". In this context I inte

Bug#782976: debian-installer-netboot-images packages kfreebsd images but kfreebsd is not in jessie.

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
peter green (2015-04-20): > Package: debian-installer-netboot-images > Severity: serious > > The RC policy states "Packages must be buildable within the same release.". > In this context I interpret "buildable" as buildable from actual sourcecode > (not just package together) and "the same releas

Bug#782976: marked as done (debian-installer-netboot-images packages kfreebsd images but kfreebsd is not in jessie.)

2015-04-19 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:02:38 -0400 with message-id and subject line Re: Bug#782976: debian-installer-netboot-images packages kfreebsd images but kfreebsd is not in jessie. has caused the Debian Bug report #782976, regarding debian-installer-netboot-images packages kfreebsd images

Bug#782976: debian-installer-netboot-images packages kfreebsd images but kfreebsd is not in jessie.

2015-04-19 Thread peter green
Package: debian-installer-netboot-images Severity: serious The RC policy states "Packages must be buildable within the same release.". In this context I interpret "buildable" as buildable from actual sourcecode (not just package together) and "the same release" as the collection of stuff that

Bug#782974: installation-reports: Jessie RC2 netinst - UEFI boot issues, success at 2nd attempt

2015-04-19 Thread Björn Brill
Package: installation-reports Severity: normal Tags: d-i -- Package-specific info: Boot method: CD Image version: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-jessie-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso Date: 2015-04-17 22:16 Machine: HP Pavilion 500-308ng Partitions: bjoern@suveret

Bug#764982: Backports, where is the danger (why the FUD)

2015-04-19 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 19-04-15 om 22:00 schreef Turbo Fredriksson: > If someone wants newer version, they can (should!) upgrade to the newer > distribution. OR, if they're brave, use back ports. Do you mean upgrade to testing? Nobody gets a newer version by enabling backports in sources.list, you only get a newer v

Processed: Re: Bug#764982: Backports, 2B || !2B

2015-04-19 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reopen 764982 Bug #764982 {Done: Cyril Brulebois } [apt-setup-udeb] apt-setup-udeb: Backports via d-i, but not by default 'reopen' may be inappropriate when a bug has been closed with a version; all fixed versions will be cleared, and you may nee

Bug#764982: Backports, 2B || !2B

2015-04-19 Thread Geert Stappers
reopen 764982 stop On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 07:13:36PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > control reopen -1 > stop > > > BR reopened for futher discussion. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.

Bug#764982: Backports, where is the danger (why the FUD)

2015-04-19 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Did you check if it really was back ports? Yes. I've been using Debian GNU/Linux since.. 'bo' or something and a DD since '97 or so. I know what I'm doing (98% of the time :). > I use backports on all machines I care about, and I never had

Bug#764982: Backports, where is the danger (why the FUD)

2015-04-19 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 19-04-15 om 20:59 schreef Turbo Fredriksson: > On Apr 19, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Geert Stappers wrote: > >> What is the danger of having backports (default) enabled? > > From what I've seen (when I tried it a couple of years ago), is that > the back porting is quite … "sloppy". If the package needs

Re: Bug#780573: release-notes: Review from the d-i team

2015-04-19 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Niels Thykier wrote: > I tried to ask in #debian-i18n about the new languages, but so far no > one has replied me. I am a bit overbooked, so if any you have time to > follow on that, then I would greatly appreciate it. I have looked into this. Based on http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/de

Bug#764982: Sensible discussion

2015-04-19 Thread Paul van der Vlis
> Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19): >> Cyril Brulebois wrote: >> > Packages sometimes bitrot in backports, with unfixed security issues, >> > up to the point they get removed. That can also happen because they're >> > not supportable anymore (e.g. owncloud in wheezy-backports). Now we >> > have debi

Bug#764982: Backports, where is the danger (why the FUD)

2015-04-19 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
On Apr 19, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Geert Stappers wrote: > What is the danger of having backports (default) enabled? From what I've seen (when I tried it a couple of years ago), is that the back porting is quite … "sloppy". If the package needs a newer lib, that is back ported as well. And the newer li

Bug#764982: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

2015-04-19 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Paul van der Vlis (p...@vandervlis.nl): > Hello, > > I saw backports has been removed as default setting from sources.list in > Jessie RC3. I am very disappointed by this last minute change, without > much discussion so far I know. I did not know about this bug. > > In my opinion it's ver

Bug#764982: Backports, where is the danger (why the FUD)

2015-04-19 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 07:35:21PM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: > On Apr 19, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > > Do you see that ?but?? That's exactly why it's not safe to have this > > turned on by default. > > > Thank you KiBi! I defiantly don't want back ports enabled by defau

Bug#764982: Bitrot in backports

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19): > Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > Packages sometimes bitrot in backports, with unfixed security issues, > > up to the point they get removed. That can also happen because they're > > not supportable anymore (e.g. owncloud in wheezy-backports). Now we > > have debian-secu

Re: Bug#780573: release-notes: Review from the d-i team

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Holger Wansing (2015-04-19): > The release-notes currently contain > > Graphical installer > > Graphical installer is now the default on supported platforms. > Text installer is still accessible from the very first menu, or if > the system has limited capabilities. > > A

Bug#764982: Bitrot in backports

2015-04-19 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Packages sometimes bitrot in backports, with unfixed security issues, up > to the point they get removed. That can also happen because they're not > supportable anymore (e.g. owncloud in wheezy-backports). Now we have > debian-security-support for pathological cases in stab

Re: Bug#780573: release-notes: Review from the d-i team

2015-04-19 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Niels Thykier wrote: > On 2015-04-11 08:07, Baptiste Jammet wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Dixit Niels Thykier, le 16/03/2015 : > > > >> I am contacting you to do a final review of the release-notes for the > >> d-i related topics (as listed on [1]): > > > > Here are some items I think it's im

Bug#764982: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

2015-04-19 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 19-04-15 om 18:12 schreef Cyril Brulebois: > Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19): >> I saw backports has been removed as default setting from sources.list in >> Jessie RC3. I am very disappointed by this last minute change, without >> much discussion so far I know. I did not know about this bug. >

Bug#764982: Backports removed from

2015-04-19 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
On Apr 19, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19): > >> Are all machines with backports enabled ticking timebombs? >> No, but you have to know what you do. > > Do you see that “but”? That's exactly why it's not safe to have this > turned on by default. Thank

Bug#764982: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
micah anderson (2015-04-19): > You pointed out that apt will happily install a package from backports > if it is not available in the base suite, which might mean that you > don't realize that you are going to install something from backports > because you didn't explicitly ask for it... > > Howe

Bug#764982: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

2015-04-19 Thread micah anderson
> In my opinion it's very good when backports is default in sources.list. >My opinion is that I don't want to push ticking time bombs into the >hands of our users. And that's exactly what defaulting to enabling >backports was. You pointed out that apt will happily install a package from backport

Bug#764982: Backports removed from

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
(Please you reply-all on the BTS.) Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19): > Now there is no time for a discussion anymore! There's not much to discuss… > And this was not a RC-bug. Not marked as such but I wouldn't release Jessie with it, so that was RC anyway. :) > I always enable backports on all

Bug#764982: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

2015-04-19 Thread Geert Stappers
control reopen -1 stop On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 05:44:12PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Hello, > > I saw backports has been removed as default setting from sources.list in > Jessie RC3. I am very disappointed by this last minute change, without > much discussion so far I know. I did not know

Bug#764982: Backports removed from

2015-04-19 Thread Paul van der Vlis
> Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19): >> I saw backports has been removed as default setting from sources.list in >> Jessie RC3. I am very disappointed by this last minute change, without >> much discussion so far I know. I did not know about this bug. > > Not knowing about this bug report doesn't me

Bug#764982: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19): > I saw backports has been removed as default setting from sources.list in > Jessie RC3. I am very disappointed by this last minute change, without > much discussion so far I know. I did not know about this bug. Not knowing about this bug report doesn't mean there

Re: kFreeBSD CD/DVD builds for Jessie

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Steve McIntyre (2015-04-19): > I know that the kFreeBSD ports are not being officially released > [1]. What plans (if any) have been made for any *un*official releases? > I've just removed the BSD builds from the debian-cd architecture lists > in preparation for next weekend, but I've not heard an

Bug#764982: Backports removed from sources.list ;-(

2015-04-19 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Hello, I saw backports has been removed as default setting from sources.list in Jessie RC3. I am very disappointed by this last minute change, without much discussion so far I know. I did not know about this bug. In my opinion it's very good when backports is default in sources.list. With regard

kFreeBSD CD/DVD builds for Jessie

2015-04-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi folks, I know that the kFreeBSD ports are not being officially released [1]. What plans (if any) have been made for any *un*official releases? I've just removed the BSD builds from the debian-cd architecture lists in preparation for next weekend, but I've not heard anything more... [1] https:/

Debian Installer Jessie RC 3 release

2015-04-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the third release candidate of the installer for Debian 8 "Jessie". Improvements in this release of the installer = * apt-setup: - Stop enabling backports by default (#764982). * clock-setup:

Bug#759657: console-setup: suggested fix seems to work

2015-04-19 Thread Karsten Hilbert
Package: console-setup Version: 1.122 Followup-For: Bug #759657 Out-of-band I received the suggestion to create /etc/systemd/system/console-setup.service.d/wait4udev.conf with the content [Unit] Wants=systemd-udev-settle.service After=systemd-udev-settle.service

debian-installer-netboot-images_20150418_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable

2015-04-19 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Bug#759657: console-setup: system state after "fixing"

2015-04-19 Thread Karsten Hilbert
Package: console-setup Version: 1.121 Followup-For: Bug #759657 These are the system settings - after boot showing the wrong setup - but AFTER running systemctl restart console-setup.service - after which the setup is correct in other words just after the previous report,

Bug#782845: marked as done (debian-installer-netboot-images: FTBFS with a checksum mismatch)

2015-04-19 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sun, 19 Apr 2015 12:14:03 +0200 with message-id <27493164.e86UacO8HP@gyllingar> and subject line Re: Bug#782845: debian-installer-netboot-images: FTBFS with a checksum mismatch has caused the Debian Bug report #782845, regarding debian-installer-netboot-images: FTBFS with a chec

Bug#759657: console-setup: document settings #1

2015-04-19 Thread Karsten Hilbert
Package: console-setup Version: 1.121 Followup-For: Bug #759657 This is just to document system information - right after boot - showing the wrong setup ("forgotten font") - before "fixing" by reconfiguring console-setup in case it is any different from the following repo

Re: [d-i manual] missing arch-title entity definition in fr.ent for ppc64el

2015-04-19 Thread Baptiste Jammet
Bonjour, Dixit Holger Wansing, le 18/04/2015 : >I just noted, that the french translation of the d-i manual was >lacking the definition of &arch-title; for the ppc64el architecture. >That leads to no text being displayed when that entity is used. >(I had the same problem in German, that where I

Bug#782757: marked as done (installation-report: Jessie-RC-AMD64 on my build-PC)

2015-04-19 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:43:37 +0200 with message-id <20150419094337.3c9a2085@s5.lokal> and subject line done has caused the Debian Bug report #782757, regarding installation-report: Jessie-RC-AMD64 on my build-PC to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has b