Re: apt and multiple connections

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Michael S. Fischer wrote: > This brings up a good point for the Woody installer--it would be > extremely helpful if for an FTP installation the installer would query > a central site (e.g. ftp.debian.org) similar to CPAN's "MIRRORED_BY" > file and obtain a list of current mirrors from which the so

Re: apt and multiple connections

2000-09-22 Thread Michael S. Fischer
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 07:14:33PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > Or the user could just pick a good mirror to start with - we do have 140 > of them. This brings up a good point for the Woody installer--it would be extremely helpful if for an FTP installation the installer would query a central

disk usage of packages

2000-09-22 Thread Martin Keegan
How easy is it to determine how much space on /, /usr, and /var a package will take up? Can dpkg tell me this by examining its .deb file? Mk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Martin Keegan
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Glenn McGrath wrote: > > libfdisk is on the improve as well, and the code looks pretty nice, it > > could probably be modularised for specific filesystems, only uspports > > two architectures at the moment though. > > > > Glenn > > Crap, i meant libparted not libfdisk Chee

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Glenn McGrath
Glenn McGrath wrote: > > libfdisk is on the improve as well, and the code looks pretty nice, it > could probably be modularised for specific filesystems, only uspports > two architectures at the moment though. > > Glenn Crap, i meant libparted not libfdisk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Glenn McGrath
Joey Hess wrote: > > Martin Keegan wrote: > > Incidentally, what facilities currently exist for non-interactive partitioning? > > Is there a dedicated tool for this, or should one do > > > > /sbin/fdisk < scripted_responses > > > > and pray? If we can't do pretty arbitrary partitioning in a scrip

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Martin Keegan
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > > Incidentally, what facilities currently exist for non-interactive partitioning? > > Is there a dedicated tool for this, or should one do > > > > /sbin/fdisk < scripted_responses > > > > and pray? If we can't do pretty arbitrary partitioning in a scripta

Re: Alternative root filesystem support

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Michael S. Fischer wrote: > Let's add one more bullet point for the new installer--namely, > alternative root filesystem support. I and my colleagues would just > love to see ReiserFS support in woody's installer. All this requires is a disk formatter module for reiserfs, and perhaps a mechanism

Re: External install modules and compacted libc

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Torsten Landschoff wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:29:11PM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > > Yea, that is a problem that has been mentioned before, it is going to be > > tricky to get around cheaply. > > Hmm, do we have a list of "known/expected problems" somewhere? We do now. (doc/ISSUES in

Re: External install modules and compacted libc

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Torsten Landschoff wrote: > > The way modules will work is that they should only be called (or loaded) > > if needed, so its not a matter of disabling any modules, just only > > calling the modules you need, this is the key to shrinking the installer > > to 1 boot disk (with everything else being

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2000-09-22 Thread Hong Feng
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Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Keegan wrote: > Incidentally, what facilities currently exist for non-interactive partitioning? > Is there a dedicated tool for this, or should one do > > /sbin/fdisk < scripted_responses > > and pray? If we can't do pretty arbitrary partitioning in a scriptable > fashion, the non-interac

Re: Comments, another installer project

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Torsten Landschoff wrote: > Of course I don't expect it to be ready in time (since I have to complete > my work in this month) but I think I can make some mistakes so they are > avoided when implementing the new Debian installer. Since it's nearing the end of the month, I'm looking forward to wo

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Martin Keegan
On debian-boot, Joey Hess wrote: > question. This is the main reason I don't think we can use debconf as > the UI for the partitioner, which I think is the most UI-demanding part > of the install. Incidentally, what facilities currently exist for non-interactive partitioning? Is there a dedi

Re: debinst: target media preperation

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > I think it is an important question, if the partitionating should be done > by the installer or by an external program by the installer. > > Calling (s|f)?fdisk or whatever has the advantage of > well-tested-and-proofen code and user-interface. I think it should at > lea

Re: Two new goals?

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Torsten Landschoff wrote: > Two new goals? > > - Make Debian installable to blind people (on systems where serial console > support is available) When designing a new character mode GUI, there are some simple things you can do to make it at least usable to a blind user with a screen reader lik

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
James R. Van Zandt wrote: > >Sure -- Debian has always supported installing from a serial console, > >and I hope it always will. > > Hmm. I beg to differ. I've been working on accessibility of Linux to > blind users for some time. They can't use the video display, > obviously. One installatio

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > > > It's on the debconf mailing list. The archives are at > > > http://kitenet.net/auto/pipermail/config/ > > > > Is that an open list? Since it is of interest for the installer I would > > like to subscribe to it.

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > I like this scheme but I was kinda scratching my head wondering how > device autodetection would work. I suppose that would just be a > package, say, libdetect, which when you run the configure step, would > emit information on possible network devices (including hopefully

back..

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
I have to take some time off this week to go find a new place to live. With that out of the way, I have time again until I have to actually move. I'll try to get caught up on the thread now. It seems we've been slashdotted -- http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/09/22/2011220&mode=nested -- se

Re: [debian-installer] Build setup?

2000-09-22 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Keegan wrote: > I found the toplevel Makefile pretty annoying last time I was building > boot-floppies; it called itself recursively with a separate make > process, which tended to make make -n and make -j unusable. > > Is Joey Hess' new installer system doing to do away with the current >

Re: Poweredge 2400 Raid-5 booting debian

2000-09-22 Thread Ries van Twisk
Ok here is my current status on booting debian on a poweredge 2400 with the perc raid 5 controller. Thinks are starting to work now. I succesfully made a swap partition and created the other partitions. My 2400 came with 4*18Gb HD resulting in two containers one of 4Gb and the other about 48Gb.

Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy

2000-09-22 Thread Glenn McGrath
Petr Cech wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:32:13PM +0200 , Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > So instead of having 2 different inittabs to choose from I changed > > init.c to cope with it. I also changed getty to cope with it (diff is > > send to maintainer and upstream) for after installation. >

Making doc translators' life easier

2000-09-22 Thread Marcin Owsiany
Here's a little hack I use to check which of the docs changed since I translated them and what has changed. Installation: - copy the script to "documentation" directory - modify it: change the "$lang" variable to your language remove the "checkdiff" function invocations for the

Bug#72246: boot-floppies: Using 2.2.16 (2.2r0) sets hostname to the short hostname, rather than fqdn

2000-09-22 Thread Jeff Sheinberg
Package: boot-floppies Version: N/A Severity: normal Hi, I tried to append the info in this report to #50014, but the BTS didn't like that, so I am just submitting a new report. I recently did a clean install using boot floppies 2.2.16, ie, same as 2.2r0. When the network was being configured,

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-22 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 09:58:06AM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > How do you see `debconf' in relation to `linuxconf' or `webmin'? debconf does much less than those. It was never intended to parse the config files of any apps. Instead it is targeted to ask some simple questions and create a

Re: installing off of serial console.

2000-09-22 Thread Matt Rose
Thank you. I did some hunting around and synced up my terminal program with the parameters I got off a printenv on the OpenBoot prompt, and discovered my terminal program was using Hardware flow control, and OpenBoot had none. So I changed my terminal program to no flow control, and voila! btw

Re: installing off of serial console.

2000-09-22 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Matt Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is it possible to install debian through a sparc serial console? > I have a sparc with no monitor or keyboard (fine, I'm just gonna use it as > a server anyways) I don't have access to these things. When I boot up > using the supplied tftpboot.img,

Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy

2000-09-22 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Erik Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri Sep 22, 2000 at 02:45:52PM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:32:13PM +0200 , Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > > So instead of having 2 different inittabs to choose from I changed > > > init.c to cope with it. I also changed getty

some problems solved [Was: Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy]

2000-09-22 Thread Goswin Brederlow
I overlooked a check for /dev/fd that now also checks for /dev/floppy/. The install didn't recognise /dev/floppy/0 as floppy and then tried to handle the floppy as mounted filesystem, which didn't quite work. So now I am able to install drivers and base, which are unpacking at the moment. Only p

Re: installing off of serial console.

2000-09-22 Thread Mike Renfro
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 11:50:25AM -0400, Matt Rose wrote: > Is it possible to install debian through a sparc serial console? Yes, at least I've done a test install of potato on a Sparc Classic over a 9600bps serial line. All I recall doing was setting the port speed and settings in the prom, an

Re: [debian-installer] Build setup?

2000-09-22 Thread Martin Keegan
In riva.lists.debian.boot, you wrote: > How should we design the `debian-installer' build system? > > I think that it ought to be very granular, with a complex dependancy > structure, so that changing one thing doesn't involve a long rebuild > cycle before a testable image is generated. Makeing

installing off of serial console.

2000-09-22 Thread Matt Rose
Is it possible to install debian through a sparc serial console? I have a sparc with no monitor or keyboard (fine, I'm just gonna use it as a server anyways) I don't have access to these things. When I boot up using the supplied tftpboot.img, it drops me into dbootstrap, and dbootstrap

Re: Alternative root filesystem support

2000-09-22 Thread Erik Andersen
On Fri Sep 22, 2000 at 04:59:19PM +0200, Hartmut Koptein wrote: > > Will jfs be in 2.4.0 or where can I get some docs for it? > > No, jffs is in the kernel, but don't know what this is. > > "JFFS -- Journaling Flash File System, Linux implementation." > JFFS only works on flash devices (i.e. i

Re: Alternative root filesystem support

2000-09-22 Thread Hartmut Koptein
> > > Let's add one more bullet point for the new installer--namely, > > > alternative root filesystem support. I and my colleagues would just > > > love to see ReiserFS support in woody's installer. > > > > Why reiserfs? reiserfs is the bad guy, it doesen't support other > > architectures then

Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy

2000-09-22 Thread Erik Andersen
On Fri Sep 22, 2000 at 02:45:52PM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:32:13PM +0200 , Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > So instead of having 2 different inittabs to choose from I changed > > init.c to cope with it. I also changed getty to cope with it (diff is > > send to maintainer and

Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy

2000-09-22 Thread Erik Andersen
On Fri Sep 22, 2000 at 01:32:13PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > So instead of having 2 different inittabs to choose from I changed > init.c to cope with it. I also changed getty to cope with it (diff is > send to maintainer and upstream) for after installation. Hmm. I don't believe I have

RE: Alternative root filesystem support

2000-09-22 Thread Nick Holgate
> Will jfs be in 2.4.0 or where can I get some docs for it? http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ Nick Holgate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG key from public servers : Key ID FD9C18AF Fingerprint = 9DCA EDEA D5C5 57

Re: Alternative root filesystem support

2000-09-22 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:50:11AM +0200, Hartmut Koptein wrote: > I prefer jfs, it supports more then only intel and it is 64b clean. > An alternative is xfs. Then reiserfs and then ext3fs. Yes, that would be really neat. Roland -- Roland Bauerschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: thinkpad 240

2000-09-22 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 01:13:34AM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > Perhaps if you ask IBM, they can help. They are a Linux friendly > company, afaik. Also in the laptop sector? I asked the German IBM Thinkpad support about some APM problem. The conversation: Please open system control center.

Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy

2000-09-22 Thread Petr Cech
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:32:13PM +0200 , Goswin Brederlow wrote: > So instead of having 2 different inittabs to choose from I changed > init.c to cope with it. I also changed getty to cope with it (diff is > send to maintainer and upstream) for after installation. couldn't the rescue floppy ha

Re: Alternative root filesystem support

2000-09-22 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Hartmut Koptein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Let's add one more bullet point for the new installer--namely, > > alternative root filesystem support. I and my colleagues would just > > love to see ReiserFS support in woody's installer. > > Why reiserfs? reiserfs is the bad guy, it doesen't s

Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy

2000-09-22 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, i checked out your diff, i havent gotten very far into it yet, but > see youve done some customisations to get init working with devfs. > > There is a simpler solution, change the following lines from > ./busybox/scripts/inittab The problem is tha

Re: Floppy boot to Harddisk Boot

2000-09-22 Thread Goswin Brederlow
"TODD WITTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey list! > I have a question about booting into debian. During installation I > did not want to have lilo installed on the mbr. I chose to boot from > a floppy. I also run rh6.2 and win9x on this little machine. I boot > into redhat with a flopp

Re: Initial install using apt

2000-09-22 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Chris AtLee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey there, > > Is there a boot disk out there that doesn't need any of the base packages, but >instead has all the necessary software to get a network connection and apt up and >running so that you can install everything off the internet? > > It would

Re: Which task package installs gpm?

2000-09-22 Thread Martin Keegan
On debian-boot (inter alia), you wrote: [snip] >I strongly disagree with this assertion. You may clone a system's >package inventory this way, but in doing so you will not clone the >actual system configuration. >> this a way to export debconf answers and your pretty much set. (i >> don't know

Re: Installing with 2.4.0-test8 and devfs, problem with floppy

2000-09-22 Thread Glenn McGrath
Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > Over the last two weeks I made extensive changes to the boot-floppies > to get it to work with a 2.4.0-test kernel and devfs mounted at boot > time. > > I now have a 37K diff with a lot of changes and can install from a > mounted medium but not from floppy. > > When

Re: Which task package installs gpm?

2000-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
You ignored my header, so I will repeat it as a non-header: X-No-CC: I subscribe to this list; please do not CC me on replies. On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:23:21AM +0200, J.A. Bezemer wrote: > ... and get rid of task-c-dev, task-c++-dev, task-tex (and probably others) > at the same time. Or... we