Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-08-18 Thread peter green
On 18/08/18 11:01, Roger Shimizu wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Hideki Yamane wrote: Hi, So it'll be super great if you (or your boss) can kindly sponsor some armel/armhf hardwares that support to install 4GB memory. From DebConf18 seesion "Building a Debian Derivative: Lessons L

Re: Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-08-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 07:01:39PM +0900, Roger Shimizu wrote: >... > Yes. In latest ARM BoF of DebConf18, Steve (93sam) informed us that > he's trying to rebuild all the armhf archive on arm64 box. > When that's done, we will get to know how many packages need to fix. > If the number of those pack

Re: Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-08-18 Thread Roger Shimizu
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Hideki Yamane wrote: > Hi, > >> So it'll be super great if you (or your boss) can kindly sponsor some >> armel/armhf hardwares that support to install 4GB memory. > > From DebConf18 seesion "Building a Debian Derivative: Lessons Learned > and Solutions Found" by

Re: Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-08-17 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, > So it'll be super great if you (or your boss) can kindly sponsor some > armel/armhf hardwares that support to install 4GB memory. From DebConf18 seesion "Building a Debian Derivative: Lessons Learned and Solutions Found" by Alex Doyle from Cumulus Network, they run "Jessie on Chromebook"

Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-07-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> On Jul 24, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > [ Dropped cc to debian-ports etc., switched to debian-arm instead ] > >> As for the hardware, you should watch out for hardware with ARM Cortex Cores. >> Alternatively, X-Gene 1. ThunderX, ThunderX2 and Centriq are definitely not >> su

Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-07-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Dropped cc to debian-ports etc., switched to debian-arm instead ] On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 04:11:06PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >Hi Roger! > >On 07/23/2018 10:42 AM, Roger Shimizu wrote: >> I talked to a few people about keeping armel in buster, during 1st and >> 2nd day in debcamp.

Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-07-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi Roger! On 07/23/2018 10:42 AM, Roger Shimizu wrote: > I talked to a few people about keeping armel in buster, during 1st and > 2nd day in debcamp. > Seems the blocker is just the buildd server hardware, and memory size it has. According to my colleague Alex Graf at SUSE, you can definitely bui

Re: armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-07-23 Thread Roger Shimizu
Dear armel/armhf shakeholders, I talked to a few people about keeping armel in buster, during 1st and 2nd day in debcamp. Seems the blocker is just the buildd server hardware, and memory size it has. On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:04 PM, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > > Quoting Uwe Kleine-König : >> >> I

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> On Jun 29, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 11:04:26PM +0900, Roger Shimizu wrote: >> I see armel is already not a candidate for buster [0]. >> So it seems we can discuss armhf, but no armel at all. >> I don't agree with this idea. >> And I think we sh

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 11:04:26PM +0900, Roger Shimizu wrote: > I see armel is already not a candidate for buster [0]. > So it seems we can discuss armhf, but no armel at all. > I don't agree with this idea. > And I think we should treat armel and armhf equally. Please review the mail which origi

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 11:00:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > hijacking your thread, my apologies: Rather than apologising for hijacking a thread in the same breath as doing so, please simply avoid doing so in the first place. The set of lists in your CC are *really* not appropriate for such a m

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Roger Shimizu, le ven. 29 juin 2018 23:04:26 +0900, a ecrit: >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Uwe Kleine-König >> wrote: >> > On 06/29/2018 11:23 AM, Julien Cristau wrote: >> >> 2G is also way too little memory these days for a new bu

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 29 June 2018 10:28:33 Samuel Thibault wrote: > Roger Shimizu, le ven. 29 juin 2018 23:04:26 +0900, a ecrit: > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Uwe Kleine-König > > > > wrote: > > > On 06/29/2018 11:23 AM, Julien Cristau wrote: > > >> 2G is also way too little memory these days for a

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Samuel Thibault
Roger Shimizu, le ven. 29 juin 2018 23:04:26 +0900, a ecrit: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Uwe Kleine-König > wrote: > > On 06/29/2018 11:23 AM, Julien Cristau wrote: > >> 2G is also way too little memory these days for a new buildd. > > > > Then the machine is out, the amount of RAM isn't u

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Roger Shimizu
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > Hello Julien, > > On 06/29/2018 11:23 AM, Julien Cristau wrote: >>> If the concerns are mostly about the hardware not being rackable, there >>> is a rackable NAS by Netgear: >>> >>> >>> https://www.netgear.com/business/products/stor

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello Julien, On 06/29/2018 11:23 AM, Julien Cristau wrote: >> If the concerns are mostly about the hardware not being rackable, there >> is a rackable NAS by Netgear: >> >> >> https://www.netgear.com/business/products/storage/readynas/RN2120.aspx#tab-techspecs >> >> with an armhf cpu. Not s

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 1:12 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 06/29/2018 01:42 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >>> I think that building on arm64 after fixing the bug in question is the >>> way to move forward. I'm surprised the bug itself hasn't been fixed yet, >>> doesn't speak

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 06/29/2018 01:42 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> I think that building on arm64 after fixing the bug in question is the >> way to move forward. I'm surprised the bug itself hasn't been fixed yet, >> doesn't speak for ARM. > > if you mean ARM hardware (OoO), it's too late. systems a

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:06 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 06/29/2018 10:41 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Uwe Kleine-König >> wrote: >> In short, the hardware (development boards) we're currently using to build armel and armhf

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 06/29/2018 10:41 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Uwe Kleine-König > wrote: > >>> In short, the hardware (development boards) we're currently using to >>> build armel and armhf packages aren't up to our standards, and we >>> really, really want them t

armel/armhf arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Uwe Kleine-König : If the concerns are mostly about the hardware not being rackable, there is a rackable NAS by Netgear: https://www.netgear.com/business/products/storage/readynas/RN2120.aspx#tab-techspecs This seems to be out of stock and discontinued, unfortunately. Anyway,

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Julien Cristau
[s/debian-ports/debian-arm/] On 06/29/2018 09:16 AM, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 08:03:00PM +, Niels Thykier wrote: >> armel/armhf: >> >> >> * Undesirable to keep the hardware running beyond 2020. armhf VM >>support uncertain. (DSA) >>-

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 08:03:00PM +, Niels Thykier wrote: >> armel/armhf: >> >> >> * Undesirable to keep the hardware running beyond 2020. armhf VM >>support uncertain. (DSA) >>- Source: [DSA Sprint

Re: Arch qualification for buster: call for DSA, Security, toolchain concernsj

2018-06-29 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 08:03:00PM +, Niels Thykier wrote: > armel/armhf: > > > * Undesirable to keep the hardware running beyond 2020. armhf VM >support uncertain. (DSA) >- Source: [DSA Sprint report] > > [DSA Sprint report]: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-p