On 7/15/22 21:54, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 13:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
Because our latency-test results are better on armhf than on arm64,
we use armhf for its performance.
Are these results for armhf kernel with armhf userland?
The whole install of raspios is armhf. So I g
On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 13:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> Because our latency-test results are better on armhf than on arm64,
> we use armhf for its performance.
Are these results for armhf kernel with armhf userland?
Are the results for arm64 kernel with armhf userland similar?
How much worse a
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 9:55 PM Lennart Sorensen
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 05:13:33PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > Ah thanks Paul. I was wondering why we were being accused of 'Debian
> > abandonning armhf' when it was news to me, and I'm just writing the
> > 'ARM ports status' talk for Debconf
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 09:46:59PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> It is generally possible to run 32-bit kernels on 64-bit hardware on x86,
> some armv8 and mips, but there are a lot of downsides. On powerpc,
> sparc, riscv, and newer armv8/v9, one has to run a 64-bit kernel.
>
> Traditionally you'
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 05:13:33PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> Ah thanks Paul. I was wondering why we were being accused of 'Debian
> abandonning armhf' when it was news to me, and I'm just writing the
> 'ARM ports status' talk for Debconf next week.
>
> Clearly one normally does not run foreign-arch k
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 6:13 PM Wookey wrote:
> On 2022-07-15 18:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> > On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On the other hand, if the armhf kernel does work on RPi4 with a few
> config options, and there is an actual use case, then the question is
> wh
On 2022-07-15, woo...@wookware.org wrote:
> The question from Debian's POV is how many other people want to use
> non-native arm kernels (and for what?). How many platforms is it
> relevant to? And if there is a downside, how many does that effect,
> and how/how much.
For Reproducible Builds testi
On 2022-07-15 13:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 7/15/22 12:16, Wookey wrote:
> >
> > Clearly one normally does not run foreign-arch kernels on hardware so
> > we don't have to support it, and Ben is right to say 'this is not a
> > bug'.
> >
> > On the other hand, if the armhf kernel does work
On 7/15/22 12:16, Wookey wrote:
On 2022-07-15 18:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
If you see /other/ problems with the 64-bit kernel (using the
same user space, kernel source and kernel config as the 32-bit
kernel), please report those to the r
On 7/15/22 11:09, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 05:39:34AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
On 7/15/22 04:04, LinAdmin wrote:
Pi 4 has much more throughput in 32-bit modes but the so
called experts of Debian decided to abandon it :-(
On 14.07.22 03:52, Wookey wrote:
On 2022-07-0
Debian ARM actually splits 3 ways: https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/
for armel, armhf, arm64. Raspbian still uses one version I think.
I had been using Raspbian for years until somebody there decided to
drop the LXDE/Openbox desktops with Bullseye. And they seem to be
using Debian now(?). I act
On 2022-07-15 18:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>
> > If you see /other/ problems with the 64-bit kernel (using the
> > same user space, kernel source and kernel config as the 32-bit
> > kernel), please report those to the respective upstream k
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 05:39:34AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 7/15/22 04:04, LinAdmin wrote:
> > Pi 4 has much more throughput in 32-bit modes but the so
> > called experts of Debian decided to abandon it :-(
> >
> >
> > On 14.07.22 03:52, Wookey wrote:
> > > On 2022-07-01 15:53 +0200, Ard B
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 12:42 PM Paul Wise wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>
> > If you see /other/ problems with the 64-bit kernel (using the
> > same user space, kernel source and kernel config as the 32-bit
> > kernel), please report those to the respective up
On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> If you see /other/ problems with the 64-bit kernel (using the
> same user space, kernel source and kernel config as the 32-bit
> kernel), please report those to the respective upstream kernel
> maintainers so we can fix those as well.
Gene
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 11:39 AM gene heskett wrote:
> On 7/15/22 04:04, LinAdmin wrote:
> > Pi 4 has much more throughput in 32-bit modes but the so
> > called experts of Debian decided to abandon it :-(
Please stop the name calling, and the spreading of misinformation on this list.
> I built t
On 7/15/22 04:04, LinAdmin wrote:
Pi 4 has much more throughput in 32-bit modes but the so
called experts of Debian decided to abandon it :-(
On 14.07.22 03:52, Wookey wrote:
On 2022-07-01 15:53 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
The 32-bit ARM kernel implements fixups on behalf of user space when
Pi 4 has much more throughput in 32-bit modes but the so
called experts of Debian decided to abandon it :-(
On 14.07.22 03:52, Wookey wrote:
> On 2022-07-01 15:53 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> The 32-bit ARM kernel implements fixups on behalf of user space when
>> using LDM/STM or LDRD/STRD ins
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