john doe, le dim. 10 févr. 2019 07:39:17 +0100, a ecrit:
> On 2/9/2019 3:16 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland?
>
> How do I go about testing wayland?
> Should I tested on Mate or on Gnome?
Mate doesn't seem to have a wayland session des
On 2/9/2019 3:16 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland?
>
How do I go about testing wayland?
Should I tested on Mate or on Gnome?
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I like your suggestion, too.
It's so important to have a distro that installs a command line desktop.
Debian has all the pieces to do it.
Best wishes,
David
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 13:21 Mewtamer wrote:
> This is just a suggestion, but perhaps, instead of having "Debian
> Desktop Environment" as
I like your suggestion!
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Mewtamer wrote:
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 13:21:18
> From: Mewtamer
> To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: default desktop
> Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 18:21:32 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-accessibilit
This is just a suggestion, but perhaps, instead of having "Debian
Desktop Environment" as an alias for the default without any
explanation, perhaps it would be better to restructure the software
selection menu to something like:
1. Gnome Desktop Environment(Debian Default)
2. Mate Desktop Environm
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70: Orca's flat review
feature to click on elements requires that being fixed.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710012. Orca's mouse review
feature depends on this.
I believe there are still other bugs here and there, but the above two
are
n desktop environment' (option 1 at the pkg
> selection step) should be set to Mate if it is deemed the most
> accessible desktop environment.
But accessibility is only one of the
criteria for being the default desktop. See
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie for a
t; environment' is not the desktop that is "accessible".
>
> Well, yes, changing the debconf frontend is not considered as asking for
> accessibility. There are various other reasons for requesting the text
> frontend.
>
>> Furthermore, while I value the talking instal
Hello,
Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland?
Jeremy Bicha, le sam. 09 févr. 2019 08:38:29 -0500, a ecrit:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:36 AM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Ok, then you need to discuss this with the rest of the Debian GNOME
> > > team. I suggest the debian-
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:36 AM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Ok, then you need to discuss this with the rest of the Debian GNOME
> > team. I suggest the debian-gtk-gnome list. (And I think it would have
> > been more polite to talk to them before talking to the tasksel team.)
> >
> > It's a bit late
Jeremy Bicha, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 20:05:03 -0500, a ecrit:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for
> > accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of
> > default deskt
ell, yes, changing the debconf frontend is not considered as asking for
accessibility. There are various other reasons for requesting the text
frontend.
> Furthermore, while I value the talking installer ("install Debian with
> speatch"), the default desktop environment should be the
On 2/9/2019 2:05 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for
>> accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of
>> default desktop for Debian indeed. I
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for
> accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of
> default desktop for Debian indeed. IIRC one of the reasons for the
> choice of gnom
Jeremy Bicha, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:57:30 -0500, a ecrit:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:07 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> &
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:07 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in
> all kin
Checking Aptitude, libgtk-3-0 depends on libwayland-client, and
Firefox depends on libgtk-3-0 and Orca has libwayland-client and
libgtk-3-0 somewhere in its dependency chains. I don't run a full
desktop environment, but as these are the only graphical programs I
run, I suspect most, if not all, cur
On 08/02/2019 19:24, john doe wrote:
> Do you have any pointers on where I can find what happened in Mate with
> regard to blindness?
Well I am not Samuel, but I will give my answers ;)
First of all, you'd need to have compiz-reloaded version 8-16, released
two months ago to get all the enhacemen
+, a ecrit:
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >>>>> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> >>>>> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a con
amuel Thibault wrote:
>>>>> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
>>>>> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
>>>>> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches i
On 2/8/2019 6:45 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:39:39 +0100, a ecrit:
>> What about Orca?
>> The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop
>> environment' (Gnome).
>
> When was that time?
> A lot of things happened on the Mate side :)
>
A fie
Hello,
Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit:
> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a
john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:39:39 +0100, a ecrit:
> What about Orca?
> The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop
> environment' (Gnome).
When was that time?
A lot of things happened on the Mate side :)
Samuel
Hi Samuel,
On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of gl
On 2/8/2019 6:07 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in
> all ki
Hello,
Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in
all kinds of places, and nobody is working on fixing them yet. Also,
MATE
Jordi Mallach writes ("Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop"):
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before th
How do you measure memory? Free?
Could you quite possibly post the output of free and whatever else you
measure with? (the full output)
For reference against jessie, i'm installing an up to date jessie right
now...
Thanks
Anthony (bofh80)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 05:34:04PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> You mean left vs. right side?
Or even showing them at all (certainly last time I bothered to look at
gnome 3 it seemed to think buttons on windows were mostly to be avoided).
> People who are so afraid of new stuff to learn that
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 03:20 +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
[...]
> If people have old CD only machines i would not like to attempt to get
> kernel 3.16 +drivers +userland working on that. I've been in that
> situation plenty of times, where woody or potato are better simply
> because the drivers
2014/08/12 1:12 "Jonas Smedegaard" :
>
> [...]
> Still you are talking about cost in time. Few I have met in developing
> countries were poor measured in time available.
> [...]
Developed country (Japan). My wife makes me scrimp on everything, so I
still have megabit/sec download. Fiber or 10 Mb/
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
>> access. Larger default desktop will hurt the most in developing
>> countries: non-techie
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen:
> it needs buttons on windows that people expect to see where they expect
> to see them
You mean left vs. right side?
> Would Debian be willing to make gnome3 have different defaults than
> upstream in the interest of actually being useable to new users who are
> used to o
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:15:15AM +0200, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's look
> at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
> http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothi
at bottom :-
On 8/11/14, Thomas Weber wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
>> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
>> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
>> checkers etc) of the price of
On Mon, 11 Aug, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Thomas Weber
wrote:
Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's
look
at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothies
CD
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
> checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
> CD's,
Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
CD's, vs the same amount of DVD's, from those third world countries. Is the
price
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On 08/10/2014 02:39 PM, Kees de Jong wrote:
> Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
> netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
> need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
> des
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
(Having booted up a real OS, but still using Google's webmail fake MUA. heh.)
> [...]
> 2014/08/11 7:32 "Joel Rees" :
>> 2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>>
>> [...]
>> > systemd embracing: One of the reasons to switch to Xfce was that it
>> > d
2014/08/11 7:32 "Joel Rees" :
>
> 2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>
> >
> > Hi Debian,
> >
> > It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> > desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was
2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>
> Hi Debian,
>
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf
2014/08/08 18:14 "Yves-Alexis Perez" :
>
> [...]
>
> Put it another way, Xfce (and other DEs) have been hurt by the various
> enforced transitions (ConsoleKit,
> hal/devicekit-power/upower/upower-0.99), yes. Combined with the lack of
> resources, that means it lays behind the people who decided tho
Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
desktop environment or XFCE/LXDE. But if you can spare some more time
then you can install GNOME/KDE. See
On ven., 2014-08-08 at 18:38 -0700, Paul C. Bryan wrote:
> With all due respect to XFCE, I'd hate the interpretation to be along
> the lines of, "Oh, Debian state of the art desktop environment feels
> something like Windows, circa 2000." But, XFCE's lightweight. It's
> meant
> to lack such fancy f
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 03:29:26PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> Specifically: 1) Would you want the default CD/DVD image to use a GNOME
> even if GNOME was unable to fit on a single image? 2) Would the GNOME
> team consider a less-complete DE for cases where image size is a
> restriction?
How ha
Hi,
I don't know if it's wise to include that by default, but I remember
that today, MATE is quite accessible. Not perfet, yes, but slight,
customizable, and with Compiz which can run on it with all its features.
Gnome is heavy for some machines and much less customizable in colours,
objects
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-08-08 16:19:28)
> Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :
>> The following is on a wheezy chroot:
>>
>> root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> [...]
>> Need to get 370 MB of archiv
Gunnar Wolf writes ("Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop"):
> And yes, many such computers are currently in use. And it would be a
> disservice not to provide CDs anymore. But that criteria should not be
> what guides our default for installation; a CD mig
Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :
> The following is on a wheezy chroot:
>
> root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> [...]
> Need to get 370 MB of archives. After unpacking 1099 MB will be used.
>
> root@ba
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-08 15:51:13)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:26:20PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> I wonder if you still missed my point: Concern is not if computers
>> are capable of reading DVDs, but the *bandwith* burden of installing
>> and maintaining a larger desktop versus a
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 15:00:35)
> Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
>>> ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
>>> CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
>>
>> You may visit some poorer people in the world.
>> But
Jordi Mallach, le Thu 07 Aug 2014 23:57:33 +0200, a écrit :
> Accessibility: GNOME continues to be the only free desktop environment that
> provides full accessibility coverage, right from login screen.
Just to poll on the accessibility side: do we prefer gnome 3.12 over
xfce?
(note that we are t
Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
> > ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
> > CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
>
> You may visit some poorer people in the world.
> But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they ju
On jeu., 2014-08-07 at 23:57 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Hi Debian,
About the decision itself, as Debian Xfce main maintainer, I honestly
don't really care. I don't think the default desktop matters that much
on Debian (while I guess it means a lot for Ubuntu, for example). I
a
On 08/08/14 00:29, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014, Jordi Mallach wrote:
>> Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME
>> is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of
>> reasons.
>
> One of the reasons
gle image" is not only about use of said storage
devices for installation, but also an indication more generally of how
much data needs to be transfered on average for a usable installation.
Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
access. Larger default desktop will h
* Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>
> ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
> CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
You may visit some poorer people in the world.
But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat DVD-cake.
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> > Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME
> > is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of
> > reasons.
>
> One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size
On Thu, 07 Aug 2014, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME
> is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of
> reasons.
One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on the
installation ima
Hi Debian,
It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly r
10/13 at 16:40 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > This goes back to during the wheezy release cycle. There was a
> > > little discussion around a change in tasksel [1], but rather too
> > > late in the day for the change to make sense. Now we have rather
> > >
Hello,
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL (09/08/2012):
> Because if XFCE is default desktop […]
this hasn't happened yet. And might not happen at all.
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the more important as XFCE would be the default desktop in Wheezy.
Because if XFCE is default desktop, and it has a11y bugs, they need to
be known. Tell us too what bugs seem to be fixed in 4.10 (and how did
you install 4.10 release). With 4.10, are things suitable in a11y or
not? Last question: I thi
Hello,
I've asked and hoped you are all aware that this desktop environment has
many a11y related bugs.
Many of these bugs were fixed in xfce 4.10 but that version will not be
part of wheezy.
One of the big problems is to start at-spi-registryd before first gtk
application comes up.
Any way thx fo
gt; According to:
> http://www.muktware.com/4087/debian-wheezy-may-ship-xfce-default-desktop-environment
> gnome will may be not the default Desktop any more.
>
> What's the current a11y status of xfce in wheezy?
> Does it come with orca installed!!!
> Regards
> Hali
Halim Sahin, le Thu 09 Aug 2012 10:14:08 +0200, a écrit :
> According to:
> http://www.muktware.com/4087/debian-wheezy-may-ship-xfce-default-desktop-environment
> gnome will may be not the default Desktop any more.
>
> What's the current a11y status of xfce in wheezy?
>
Hi,
According to:
http://www.muktware.com/4087/debian-wheezy-may-ship-xfce-default-desktop-environment
gnome will may be not the default Desktop any more.
What's the current a11y status of xfce in wheezy?
Does it come with orca installed!!!
Regards
Halim
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