Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-08-30 Thread the-official-samsung-cow!
m, cow, do you moo? On 09/01/2022 16:16, batman wrote: high, I am batman, wlcome to gothum city On 30/12/2021 15:56, Jordan Livesey wrote: I don't have to tell you this but for the last time, slackware isn't easy to use nore is anything based on slackware, which is why it doesn't sup

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-02-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, I can only repeat myself. Samuel Thibault, le ven. 31 déc. 2021 17:44:31 +0100, a ecrit: > D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le ven. 31 déc. 2021 10:12:43 -0500, a ecrit: > > The network-manager package should be installed by default to ANY > > installation > > Well, not "any". > > Again, that's where

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-09 Thread john doe
On 1/9/2022 7:57 PM, Jordan Livesey wrote: like I said, this account is impersonating me Than you should report it. As far as I can tell, both of the e-mails are coming from the same host. -- John Doe

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-09 Thread Jordan Livesey
like I said, this account is impersonating me On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 6:56 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: > If I agreed with you, both of us would be wrong. > > > On Sun, 9 Jan 2022, batman wrote: > > > high, I am batman, wlcome to gothum city > > > > On 30/12/2021 15:56, Jordan Livesey wrote: > > > I d

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-09 Thread Jude DaShiell
If I agreed with you, both of us would be wrong. On Sun, 9 Jan 2022, batman wrote: > high, I am batman, wlcome to gothum city > > On 30/12/2021 15:56, Jordan Livesey wrote: > > I don't have to tell you this but for the last time, slackware isn't easy to > > use nore is anything based on slackwar

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-09 Thread batman
high, I am batman, wlcome to gothum city On 30/12/2021 15:56, Jordan Livesey wrote: I don't have to tell you this but for the last time, slackware isn't easy to use nore is anything based on slackware, which is why it doesn't support secure boot also, that is why debian is better On Thu, Dec

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-03 Thread James AUSTIN
Hi John Thanks very much for the info. Always wishes James Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Jan 2022, at 09:35, john doe wrote: > > On 12/31/2021 7:04 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> I am wondering if there are any tutorials available to help someone set a >> system such as the one being discussed up

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-01 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
While I think, "if the user chooses to install a desktop environment during installation, it should come up automatically at boot" is a reasonable default, I agree there should probably be an option in the installer to make console login the default boot option, and if it already exists in the expe

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-01 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I have been hunting for a command that will bring up Debian in console mode for over a year, I'm glad there is one and thanks for sending it along, but again it's not accessible if just a very few know about it. My opinion is that this configuration should be part of the installer to ask how the p

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2022-01-01 Thread john doe
On 12/31/2021 7:04 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: I am wondering if there are any tutorials available to help someone set a system such as the one being discussed up from scratch. Well I can access the command line from a GUI I am reliant upon a graphical user interface being pre-installed with orca

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread john doe
On 12/31/2021 4:42 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: John, You say in Mate we have other methods of configuring it. I'm talking about configuring it in console, even if MATE is installed. What is that way of configuring, In headless you can only use the console (see below). In headless, there i

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
acbradio now has a youtube channel available for subscription too. On Sat, 1 Jan 2022, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > Following the link gives me an invalid certificate error in Firefox, > ignoring the warning brings me to the so long message, but removing > the s from https brings me to a page that

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
Following the link gives me an invalid certificate error in Firefox, ignoring the warning brings me to the so long message, but removing the s from https brings me to a page that says ACB Radio is now part of ACB Media and provides the following address to the new website: https://www.acbmedia.org

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
The android program to download is acb link or by now maybe that's also gone. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > It now says "so long" - I guess it's all gone. > > DR > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:19 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > https://www.acbradio.org/ is the starting point. It'

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
I have no idea what happened there. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > It now says "so long" - I guess it's all gone. > > DR > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:19 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > https://www.acbradio.org/ is the starting point. It's a radio station and > > can be listened

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
It now says "so long" - I guess it's all gone. DR On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:19 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: > https://www.acbradio.org/ is the starting point. It's a radio station and > can be listened to on the internet and with android and iphone apps but > the current programs play. The main me

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
https://www.acbradio.org/ is the starting point. It's a radio station and can be listened to on the internet and with android and iphone apps but the current programs play. The main menu channel is the one for technical information and treasure trove has old-time radio programs. On Fri, 31 Dec

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
It's a series of podcasts that can be downloaded. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > Is this acbradio, a podcast, radio program, linux application, or what? > > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main > menu available for download. > > > > On Fri, D

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Is this acbradio, a podcast, radio program, linux application, or what? acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main menu available for download. On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of progra

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
Sometimes report-bug will find the right list for you and running report-bug will get the report in in the correct format. Only thing is, you need to already have an smtp transport package working first since report-bug will use that to send your report. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wro

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main menu available for download. One of them has a debian install demonstration in it and another one has a slackware demonstration install in it. It will not be easy to find them either but they're some of the earlier program

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
To unsubscribe from any debian list send an email to: listname-requ...@lists.debian.org with the subject of unsubscribe. To subscribe do the same thing but use a subject of subscribe. You'd want to use debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe to do what you're

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jordan Livesey
ok how do I unsubscribe On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:14 PM Chime Hart wrote: > Well DJ, why not just type "reportbug" followed by the name of package? > I've > had fairly good luck over the years, at least having my concerns be heard. > I > think the most trouble I had was having the program send m

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Chime Hart
Well DJ, why not just type "reportbug" followed by the name of package? I've had fairly good luck over the years, at least having my concerns be heard. I think the most trouble I had was having the program send my request through a remote server. Chime

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I agree, one of the difficulties with reporting bugs and suggestions for a non-technical person with Debian is finding the list that handles the problems. Ubuntu has a system "Bug Squad" that, like a hospital emergency room, let's people search for a similar bug, if one is found, allow the person

Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread James AUSTIN
Hi everyone Happy New Year to you all. I am really enjoying this discussion and also found it fascinating. I would like to use the command line more and while I have some experience with it much of what is being discussed here goes over my head. I am wondering if there are any tutorials availa

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Didier Spaier
On 31/12/2021 18:35, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Perhaps we can just dump the wiki page > > http://wiki.debian.org/accessibility > > somewhere in the installed system? If going this way I suggest to also ship the good ol' w3m in the installer to read the relevant part during installation, as it is

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le ven. 31 déc. 2021 18:50:07 +0100, a ecrit: > D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le ven. 31 déc. 2021 12:40:39 -0500, a ecrit: > > I thought your reluctance to go there was related to poor treatment > > instead of what it most likely is, "too darned many things to > > accomplish". > > No it's re

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le ven. 31 déc. 2021 12:40:39 -0500, a ecrit: > I thought your reluctance to go there was related to poor treatment > instead of what it most likely is, "too darned many things to > accomplish". No it's really that I cannot do everything in debian-accessibility longterm-wise. The

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Chris, To unsubscribe from any debian list send an email to: listname-requ...@lists.debian.org with the subject of unsubscribe. To subscribe do the same thing but use a subject of subscribe. You'd want to use debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe to do what

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Thanks, now there's less reason for fear. I thought your reluctance to go there was related to poor treatment instead of what it most likely is, "too darned many things to accomplish". Good news for all, especially that they pushed to keep a feature that "TAP" type people - "Temporarily Able Peopl

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le ven. 31 déc. 2021 12:25:59 -0500, a ecrit: > One way would be to have a text file pointing out the accessibility features - > perhaps similar to Didier Spaier's excellent slint-docs Perhaps we can just dump the wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/accessibility somewhere in the

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le ven. 31 déc. 2021 12:11:14 -0500, a ecrit: > Obviously, we are more civilized on this email list, but it seems that > Debian-Boot is the wild and wooly frontier where new suggestions are met with > barbs and malice. ? No. Really no. The beep-at-installer-boot-menu took some e

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > anyone have a link for joining the Debian Boot mailing list? Like all Debian lists: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/ Samuel

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I'm just suggesting that a text type of network manager be initially configured and running the very same settings that were used and were set up by the installation program which very excellently by the way, tells you which network connections you have, and if there is encryption on WiFi actually

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
I'm not convinced making mouse controls more accessible is really all that important. The problem with some GUI applications isn't so much the need to precisely move a cursor and click on tiny icons or in this age where everyone assumes everyone has a smartphone, precisely tap on tiny icons, but th

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Chris Orme
Sorry, I'm flooded with emails. Can you remove me from this list, please? On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, at 5:11 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > I'll introduce the discussion, I'd rather not have someone as worthy as you > be shot up on Debian-Boot email list. > > Obviously, we are more civilized on this

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I'll introduce the discussion, I'd rather not have someone as worthy as you be shot up on Debian-Boot email list. Obviously, we are more civilized on this email list, but it seems that Debian-Boot is the wild and wooly frontier where new suggestions are met with barbs and malice. Sounds like a ret

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
Wi-Fi can be a bit finicky, both with ensuring you have the right driver and configuration(there really ought to be a script that scans for available access points, presents a menu of the detected access points, and prompts for apassword if needed instead of having to either bake wi-fi networks int

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le ven. 31 déc. 2021 10:12:43 -0500, a ecrit: > The network-manager package should be installed by default to ANY installation Well, not "any". Again, that's where *discussion* needs to be done. And not here, but where such discussions belong: with the people who know ab

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
gnome, the 800 pound gorilla of desktop systems. Pandemic memory prices have gone up and lighter memory systemsmay not be able to take a visit from our gorilla. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote: > On 12/31/2021 4:12 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > > The network-manager package should be instal

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
Mouse accessibility stinks no matter on what operating system it exists. Icons are too small too numerous on a screen and haven't got standard screen positions either. If those three problems could be fixed then mouse accessibility would get workable. Say putting at most 9 mouse icons on any given

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
John, You say in Mate we have other methods of configuring it. I'm talking about configuring it in console, even if MATE is installed. What is that way of configuring, you don't mean starting up MATE which is what I wanted to avoid. It's like starting up a major load on the computer (MATE) just

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread john doe
On 12/31/2021 4:12 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: The network-manager package should be installed by default to ANY installation of Debian perhaps even along with the basic system prior to software selection - so that using the undocumented "!" software selection (it should be documented right in th

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
The network-manager package should be installed by default to ANY installation of Debian perhaps even along with the basic system prior to software selection - so that using the undocumented "!" software selection (it should be documented right in the installer itself to produce a working command l

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Devin Prater
I mean, I use Emacs and such, but I'm trying to get into the CLI more too. That and Python. I just wish Debian already had Python 3.10, but I was able to compile it from source. I'm doing this on a Chromebook through Crostini, so I have to use Stable, since the bridge between Crostini and ChromeOS,

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Adding the word "exclusive" makes it clear to me, just as this reply was with that word added. Booting into the CLI reminds the user of the simple but tremendous power of their computer that lies underneath the beautiful graphical interface, poised to instantly respond to the keystrokes of their f

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Didier Spaier
Hi Mike and all,, also you can use w3m as both a web browser and a pager, so it allows to read documentation it text format as remote and local web pages. You can also use lynx as Chime wrote, and allo links. Also you can use several consoles at the same time, allowing for instance to read the d

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-31 Thread Didier Spaier
David, I meant that nobody should have an exclusive choice, i.e. anyone should be allowed to use both a console and a graphical environment (possibly at the same time), not being limited to the mode of operation the used first after booting. Cheers, Didier On 31/12/2021 02:16, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. w

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
The screen command will be your friend if you study it and learn to write a good .screenrc file. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote: > On 12/31/2021 2:37 AM, Mike Reiser wrote: > >> I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I worry > >> about having to memorize a bunch of

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
nmcli is in the network-manager package. Once the package is downloaded, network-manager has to be started before nmcli and nmtui can be used. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote: > On 12/31/2021 6:51 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > > Debian desperately needs a console network manager like Slackw

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread john doe
On 12/31/2021 6:51 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: Debian desperately needs a console network manager like Slackware's nmcli Actually, I have set up a bridge using 'nmcli' on Bullseye. -- John Doe

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
the 2 I know of are nmcli and iwctl On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 7:01 AM john doe wrote: > On 12/31/2021 2:37 AM, Mike Reiser wrote: > >> I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I > worry about having to memorize a bunch of commands to do things. in a > graphical program, I

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread john doe
On 12/31/2021 2:37 AM, Mike Reiser wrote: I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I worry about having to memorize a bunch of commands to do things. in a graphical program, I can use keyboard commands to get around it mostly. Is this available in console programs? Al

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Debian desperately needs a console network manager like Slackware's nmcli or nmtui which is curses but easier to use if you have some sight. Debian Bullseye has ceni which is excellent for managing networks including WiFi networks. I have problems remembering all the ifup commands to do it comple

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
That is why when you are just starting out on the console, and you know how to set up speak up, the keyboard shortcuts for that only require you to hold down the caps lock key by default, when ever I do an install I always turn the volume up with caps lock and 2 to turn up the volume, but as a

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
Even with console applications, there are various toolkits that allow for the creation of pseudo-GUIs and many such applications do have a number of keyboard commands, though they don't always adhere to the conventions shared by most GUI applications(e.g. in the Nano text editor, save is ctrl+o, no

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread David J. J. Ring, Jr.
Mike, When using a console at least four more consoles are available for simultaneous use. I can use one, then use Alt+Left Arrow (or Alt+Right Arrow) to go to the next console. I just use console for either email using either mutt (as I am doing now) or alpine, or for browsing the web using

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Chime Hart
Well, Mike, I will hopefully answer both your questions. #1 I think there are ways of creating menus based on LYNX the browser, similar to what Universities made for students or visitors. #2 You can also use LYNX to browse or read files on your local drive. So as an example, if you were to type

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Mike Reiser
> I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I worry > about having to memorize a bunch of commands to do things. in a graphical > program, I can use keyboard commands to get around it mostly. Is this > available in console programs? Also, how can I have the documentation

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Didier, I didn't understand this: "I agree that nobody should have to choose between a text interface and a > graphical one (and between Braille and speech). As an aside mpv is > perfectly > able to display videos in a console, but I digress." I'm guessing you might be saying nobody should be f

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Didier Spaier
I meant "as the tune is only played" On 31/12/2021 01:57, Didier Spaier wrote: > it actually creates a sub-menu per boot entry, as the tune is > only pressed when you press Enter.

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Didier Spaier
Hi Chime, indeed GRUB can play tunes. I am guilty of a program making use of that to create and edit a boot menu, boot entries from top to bottom getting one more note. Only caveat: it actually creates a sub-menu per boot entry, as the tune is only pressed when you press Enter. I called it

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Didier Spaier
Martin, you made my day with your story about the 6800-base microcomputer. I used a microcomputer for the first time circa 1978 (not sure an Olivetti Programma 101 with external magnetic cards to store programs and data that I used previously would be considered a computer nowadays). This machine

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Chime Hart
Well Martin-and-All, considering a PC-speaker gives a boop when a boot menu appears, couldn't more be done to take advantage of that? I mean, at very least, have different amount of beeps as we up-and-down arrow. Obviously for Hams, CW would be an option, but I don't know what any actual words w

Re: Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Martin McCormick
I've been following this sometimes-difficult discussion intently as it goes to the heart of what computer users who happen to be blind deal with on a daily basis especially when things go wrong. How much insult can your working environment take before you simply can't rescue what's there without ei

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Jordan, gmail is a provider, you can always delete previous messages, as I have just done. Please stay on topic, and unless your postings are related in some way to accessibility submit them to the Thunderbird list (your comment about changing the personal name) or here about a non-sequitur diver

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
Unfortunately that is a downside of using gmail as it always quotes previous messages, currently using mail on my Mac because it has autocorrect > On 30 Dec 2021, at 17:06, john doe wrote: > > On 12/30/2021 5:50 PM, Jordan Livesey wrote: >>> On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:49, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: >>

Fwd: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
Sorry if anyone gets this message twice, I got tripped up by the default reply to being a choice between the last respondant and everyone instead of something sensible like "just the list". I might have missed some details on account of several people quoting huge chunks of the conversation and th

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
Word of advice, if you are using thunderbird, you can use your full name instead of using the name Mozilla provides as found in the from field, hope this helps for those new to thunderbird > On 30 Dec 2021, at 17:06, john doe wrote: > > On 12/30/2021 5:50 PM, Jordan Livesey wrote: >>> On 30 De

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread john doe
On 12/30/2021 5:50 PM, Jordan Livesey wrote: On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:49, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: Please take this out of here. -- John Doe

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
That’s OK then, as long as we are talking about Debian I am fine with that. Because I love Debian, that’s why I came here > On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:49, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > > Jordan, > > I am discussing Debian accessibility. > > Please stop with repeated comments. Mentioning other distrib

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Jordan, I am discussing Debian accessibility. Please stop with repeated comments. Mentioning other distributions or operating systems is not forbidden. You yourself just mentioned "windows and ubuntu". Please stop. Thanks, David On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 11:11 Jordan Livesey wrote: > This is no

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
This is not a war, and I told you 37356456464646464647474748376373747638726349872398732498723498723484739287348729837349872348739423423424400400400440044004400440040 times that this is strictly for Debian, do you want me to go back to windows? No,

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Jordan, stop with the war, you've already stated your opinion, but hopefully you will be true to what you just said "i don't have to tell you this but for the last time," Since, you didn't have to tell me this (again), don't do it. You've stated your opinion, anything more is oppressive. Hopefull

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
Well if you want to be a hacker, go be my guest, because Slackware was designed for it, but for everyone else, Debian is the way to go, and this is a Debian specific mailing list, not a Slackware one > On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:06, Devin Prater wrote: > > Dude, anyone that uses Slackware and enjoy

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Devin Prater
Dude, anyone that uses Slackware and enjoys it, enjoys it for what it is. It's not your job to tell people what to use and what not to use. Some of these people have been using computers, most likely, much longer than you have, so can deal with compiling software, managing different package manager

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
I don't have to tell you this but for the last time, slackware isn't easy to use nore is anything based on slackware, which is why it doesn't support secure boot also, that is why debian is better On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 3:54 PM D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > And I just stated that Slint was amazingl

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
And I just stated that Slint was amazingly accessible, accessibility also means easy to use. Slint has the features, at least with additional screen readers, already installed, easy to switch on with a well documented script named "speak-with". That's not a war or any reason for a war, it's just a

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Didier Spaier
On 30/12/2021 12:20, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Didier Spaier, le jeu. 30 déc. 2021 10:32:24 +0100, a ecrit: >> On 30/12/2021 08:10, Samuel Thibault wrote: >>> You also have the same choice on other distributions such as Debian. >>> >>> Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that. >> >> Wel

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Samuel Thibault
Didier Spaier, le jeu. 30 déc. 2021 10:32:24 +0100, a ecrit: > On 30/12/2021 08:10, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > You also have the same choice on other distributions such as Debian. > > > > Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that. > > Well Samuel, you quoted me out of context, I am no

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Odd Martin Baanrud
I’m tired of this discussion of what works best and all that. Could you please continue this on e.g the blinux mailing list? This list is for debian-related accessibility discussions, while the blinux list is more for general discussions like this “Iggdrasil”. Martin

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
Agree, I came here because I am fiercely loyal to Debian because it just works > On 30 Dec 2021, at 10:54, Odd Martin Baanrud wrote: > > I’m tired of this discussion of what works best and all that. > Could you please continue this on e.g the blinux mailing list? > This list is for debian-relat

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
Orca is the only good screen reader, as well as fenrir and many other console screen readers, this project would be most useful for android x86 installers that have no accessible way of installing them or even include talkback, and yes, you can run android on your pc > On 30 Dec 2021, at 10:19,

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Didier Spaier
Hi Jordan, Answers to some of your statements after the quotes. On 30/12/2021 08:13, Jordan Livesey wrote: > chromium is only accessible on distros based on debian based > on a dependency that only debian has and that ubuntu also uses, fedora users > are out of luck here, so are arch and opensuse

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
fenrir is a pretty nice screen reader, it comes with jenux On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 8:57 AM Sebastian Humenda wrote: > Hi all > > Samuel Thibault schrieb am 30.12.2021, 8:10 +0100: > >D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 29 déc. 2021 21:56:55 -0500, a ecrit: > >> Also with Slint, arguably the most accessib

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Sebastian Humenda
Hi all Samuel Thibault schrieb am 30.12.2021, 8:10 +0100: >D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 29 déc. 2021 21:56:55 -0500, a ecrit: >> Also with Slint, arguably the most accessible of them all, you have the >> choice >> of various screen readers in console: >> >> espeakup (Console screen reader connecti

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread Didier Spaier
On 30/12/2021 08:10, Samuel Thibault wrote: > You also have the same choice on other distributions such as Debian. > > Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that. > > Samuel Well Samuel, you quoted me out of context, I am not the one who started the war. This being said, I usually tr

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Jordan, You are misinformed and by posting here you are unfortunately posting misinformation. SLINT is based on the newest version of Slackware. The other accessible distributions didn't go out of support because people didn't like them, people loved them but they were all volunteer projects as is

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread Jordan Livesey
slint is not based on a newer version of slackware, also, it doesn't support secure boot and that is why I favor debian because it does, I highly discourage anyone from using slackware or anything based on it especially for new users, also, linux distros that focus on accessibility tend to go out o

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Hello Samuel, What I meant is that SLINT comes pre-installed and preconfigured with all those console screen readers as well as emacspeak all preconfigured for the user and two simple scripts that allow the user to switch screen readers by just entering the name of the screen reader. Additionally

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread Jordan Livesey
for those distros that are not accessible, you can make them accessible but you may need sighted help, for instance, orca isn't just gonna work by installing it as you have to enable espeak and espeakup as a service in any distro that isn't debian or fedora, chromium is only accessible on distros b

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 29 déc. 2021 21:56:55 -0500, a ecrit: > Also with Slint, arguably the most accessible of them all, you have the choice > of various screen readers in console: > > espeakup (Console screen reader connecting espeak-ng and speakup) > fenrir (Modular, flexible and fast consol

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread Chime Hart
Well, DJ, first of all, I see why you like Zoe. But what were those metronome style clicks after each sentense? Maybe some time if they ever fix those non-interrupt issues, maybe I would purchase a 3rd voice. Now, I completely agree with you about Word-Perfect. wp6.0 let me do anything I needed.

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
In both Debian and in Slint, you don't have to even configure the console screen reader, it comes pre-configured. Also with Slint, arguably the most accessible of them all, you have the choice of various screen readers in console: espeakup (Console screen reader connecting espeak-ng and speakup)

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread Jude DaShiell
I have been introduced to many different Linux distributions recently. clear linux was the most recent and latest version of Manjaro neither appear to have any screen reader in them. Most Linux distributions don't have accessibility stacks built into them. As for Iggdrasill, it's not ready for pr

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-29 Thread Jordan Livesey
rather than make something new, we should really concentrate on orca because its built into most popular distributions except manjaro and open suse. because quite frankly a new to linux user would rather use orca than fiddle about with a console based screen reader like fenrir, luckily I switch

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-19 Thread Sam Hartman
> "john" == john doe writes: There are a couple of reasons you might want a screen reader with a different architecture than Orca. Orca's architecture makes it relatively easy for Orca to block. It's written in python, and if anything in Orca does something CPU bound while holding the globa

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-18 Thread john doe
On 12/12/2021 2:44 PM, john doe wrote: On 12/12/2021 10:59 AM, Pawel L. wrote: Hi, I think that the blind Linux community would benefit more from consolidating the knowledge of talented programmers and creating one, but maximally complete screen reader. I concur. I withdraw my comment. Wh

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

2021-12-12 Thread Chime Hart
Hi Aaron: On at least 2 instances I asked NVDA if they would make a Linux version? Both times they said "no" While I am only a console user, I've always found ORCA confusing, but 1 of my Linux experts thinks that with a different desktop layout, I might like it better. If there were a graphical

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