Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Pawel wrote: > I don't know what made you think that I did not try alt+F1 before > writing to the list. Because you didn't say that you tried, and we have already seen reports that were solved simply by the knowledge that alt-f1 is what you need to use. Pawel wrote: > Whatever I tried brought me

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Pawel L.
Samuel, I don't know what made you think that I did not try alt+F1 before writing to the list. Whatever I tried, before letting the list know about my difficulties, brought me back to the message 'Window without name' showed on my Braille display with no speech available to me after login in either

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jason White
Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > And considering how many "everything but the kitchen sink" distros > there are out there, I'll take Debian defaulting to a base system and > then installing the extra software I want via aptitude over a distro > that bundles many gigabytes of stuff I don't use and then

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeffery Mewtamer, le mer. 18 août 2021 23:21:43 +, a ecrit: > heck, I'm almost willing to bet real money the two versions are > compiled and uploaded by the same people Very most probably, yes :) Samuel

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
In all fairness, unless Windows has vastly improved, a standard retail copy of Windows is lacking in all but the most basic of hardware drivers and doesn't even have an equivalent to the non-free firmware version of Debian, forcing anyone in need of doing a clean install who doesn't have an OEM edi

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote: > What I was talking about is that Debian refuses to change it's policy > of non-free, Ok. That indeed happens to be non-negociable. That goes back to the #1 item of the social contract of Debian: “Debian will remain 100% free”. But also there you can find “Works that do n

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Didier Spaier
Hello, Le 18/08/2021 à 23:40, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. a écrit : I was frustrated because after I learned from the Slint list that there was a problem with the release candidate of Debian, I wanted to test it myself, and I installed three different versions of Debian with firmware and ALL of them failed

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
My last email should have ended. "I additionally had the sound card selection problem because I unfortunately have two sound cards in my computer. David" What was send had ">Samuel" from an old message and I don't want anyone to think I am impersonating Samuel. I've learned to correct my errors

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
> but it needs modifications that Debian seems unwilling to do. > > This is mere trial of intent. Don't you realize that it's just the > best way to demotivate the very people that happen to work on such > things? Please change your behavior, otherwise it's auto-realizing FUD. > Samuel, What I wa

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Jeffery Mewtamer, le mer. 18 août 2021 18:59:32 +, a ecrit: > Kind of want to try out the new release to find out if I encounter > similar problems, but I don't want to risk my main system, One thing you can try is to just boot the installer, to check that you get speech in the languag

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Pawel L.wrote: > The Speakup volume is extremely low during the installation process. Did you take a look at the documentation for accessibility support in the installer? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.en.html#idm1260 It notably says “The default volume should be m

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
I don't think I've ever done an install of Debian with either Gnome or Mate, but considering those are, best I can tell, two of the three most popular desktop environments among mainstream Linux users(KDE being the third), I find it hard to believe that something as big as an endless loop of trying

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Giving a general answer first. First, only reported issues can be fixed. Then, when an issue is reported very late in the release process it's really difficult to fix it, or stop the release because of it. We cannot halt the world just because on some hardware there are driver issues. It

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread john doe
On 8/18/2021 8:06 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: Gas lighted? Surely that's a screen reader mistake because it doesn't make sense to me. They should have stopped the release because few things are worse than a release that doesn't work at all. I have stripped the rant. When someone on this very

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Gas lighted? Surely that's a screen reader mistake because it doesn't make sense to me. They should have stopped the release because few things are worse than a release that doesn't work at all. But Debian has a reputation to live up to, and the same thing happened with Buster but the Buster prob

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jude DaShiell
It could have been seen and gas lighted. On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > Not being to log in as a user into the graphical user interface and being > inaccessible to visually impaired users who have more than one sound card, > makes it a fail as far as I can tell. > Too bad they di

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jude DaShiell
There's 1 through 10 each of which is in a smaller ring the bullseyes are inside the 10 ring. On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > I'm not familiar with darts, shooting ranges, or anything else in the > target hitting category... how good/bad is a score of 9 for a single > shot? > >

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
I'm not familiar with darts, shooting ranges, or anything else in the target hitting category... how good/bad is a score of 9 for a single shot?

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Not being to log in as a user into the graphical user interface and being inaccessible to visually impaired users who have more than one sound card, makes it a fail as far as I can tell. Too bad they didn't see my message about RC3 failures that I sent. Best wishes, David On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jude DaShiell
Debian thought they hit the bullseye with this one, likely the range would score this one as a 9. On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > I sent a message to the group that the Release of Bullseye has two big > problems. > > 1.) You cannot log into MATE as a regular user. > 2.) The sound

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I sent a message to the group that the Release of Bullseye has two big problems. 1.) You cannot log into MATE as a regular user. 2.) The sound card detection and selection dialog is broken because there is no sound to hear to verify which sound card works. If you know they your sound card is the l

Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Pawel L.
Hi, The Speakup volume is extremely low during the installation process. In the graphical environment, after login, I have no speech and my Braille display shows only 'Window without name" message. No issues within the console so far. Any fix for the graphical environment, please? I tried the alt+F