Re: large VGA font in speech-based installer.

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Samuel, I will get back to you on this, I only have Windows and Slint working at the moment, my Debian computer doesn't work at the moment, but the Terminus Font that Slint uses is the same one that I used in Debian, it's the one that says "only with framebuffer". I adjusted it with as root "dpkg

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Pawel wrote: > I don't know what made you think that I did not try alt+F1 before > writing to the list. Because you didn't say that you tried, and we have already seen reports that were solved simply by the knowledge that alt-f1 is what you need to use. Pawel wrote: > Whatever I tried brought me

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Pawel L.
Samuel, I don't know what made you think that I did not try alt+F1 before writing to the list. Whatever I tried, before letting the list know about my difficulties, brought me back to the message 'Window without name' showed on my Braille display with no speech available to me after login in either

Re: large VGA font in speech-based installer.

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > doing so would help users with minimal but some vision to > have the screen to reinforce what they hear with the screen reader. That makes sense indeed. One thing is: there is no such thing as "the largest font available", we can always draw larger fonts, up to displayin

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jason White
Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > And considering how many "everything but the kitchen sink" distros > there are out there, I'll take Debian defaulting to a base system and > then installing the extra software I want via aptitude over a distro > that bundles many gigabytes of stuff I don't use and then

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeffery Mewtamer, le mer. 18 août 2021 23:21:43 +, a ecrit: > heck, I'm almost willing to bet real money the two versions are > compiled and uploaded by the same people Very most probably, yes :) Samuel

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
In all fairness, unless Windows has vastly improved, a standard retail copy of Windows is lacking in all but the most basic of hardware drivers and doesn't even have an equivalent to the non-free firmware version of Debian, forcing anyone in need of doing a clean install who doesn't have an OEM edi

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote: > What I was talking about is that Debian refuses to change it's policy > of non-free, Ok. That indeed happens to be non-negociable. That goes back to the #1 item of the social contract of Debian: “Debian will remain 100% free”. But also there you can find “Works that do n

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Didier Spaier
Hello, Le 18/08/2021 à 23:40, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. a écrit : I was frustrated because after I learned from the Slint list that there was a problem with the release candidate of Debian, I wanted to test it myself, and I installed three different versions of Debian with firmware and ALL of them failed

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
My last email should have ended. "I additionally had the sound card selection problem because I unfortunately have two sound cards in my computer. David" What was send had ">Samuel" from an old message and I don't want anyone to think I am impersonating Samuel. I've learned to correct my errors

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
> but it needs modifications that Debian seems unwilling to do. > > This is mere trial of intent. Don't you realize that it's just the > best way to demotivate the very people that happen to work on such > things? Please change your behavior, otherwise it's auto-realizing FUD. > Samuel, What I wa

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
> they had not been resolved yet. I was referring to the Bullseye with firmware Release net install CD doing an installation that is defective in that when you boot up, the user cannot access MATE because after entering username and password, the user is back to the login screen immediately. I di

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 18 août 2021 15:50:14 -0400, a ecrit: > They all have the same problems, sound card is detected but cannot be > selected and used during installation, Normally they can. And in my tests they are. Did you try the capslock-1 / capslock-2 shortcuts? > But it worked! Again

Re: d-i & sound boards that need firmwares: errata?

2021-08-18 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Am 18. August 2021 21:17:57 MESZ schrieb Samuel Thibault : > >I'm thinking that we should add the problem to the errata list, >so that people know about the issue? I have commit access to >webwml/english/devel/debian-installer/errata.wml, is writing to it >all it takes to publish an errata ite

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Hello Samuel, I deleted that file of RC3 in favor of the logs from the actual release, but I also tried the weekly build of Bullseye but that had the same problems as the eventual release has. They all have the same problems, sound card is detected but cannot be selected and used during installat

Re: d-i & sound boards that need firmwares: errata?

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Cyril Brulebois, le mer. 18 août 2021 21:25:08 +0200, a ecrit: > Yes, that's all there's to do to get the errata updated. Ok, thanks! Done so. > Of course, it might take a few hours until that's noticed by the cron > job Sure! As well as translations etc. Samuel

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Jeffery Mewtamer, le mer. 18 août 2021 18:59:32 +, a ecrit: > Kind of want to try out the new release to find out if I encounter > similar problems, but I don't want to risk my main system, One thing you can try is to just boot the installer, to check that you get speech in the languag

Re: Report on Latest Testing (Bullseys) Weekly Build

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 15 août 2021 15:54:50 -0400, a ecrit: > My sys log for this is here: [1]https://qsl.net/n1ea/ > debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog While interesting, this is not what the wiki asks for information. https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibilit

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread john doe
On 8/18/2021 9:21 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 15 août 2021 07:03:51 -0400, a ecrit: I have the log files of unsuccessful installation of my Bullseye AMD64 RC Netinstall CD here: [1]http://qsl.net/n1ea/bullseyerc3netinstall.tar.gz This is telling me 404. Thanks to Ju

Re: d-i & sound boards that need firmwares: errata?

2021-08-18 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi, Samuel Thibault (2021-08-18): > I'm thinking that we should add the problem to the errata list, > so that people know about the issue? I have commit access to > webwml/english/devel/debian-installer/errata.wml, is writing to it > all it takes to publish an errata item, or is there more coordi

Re: Debian 11 formally debuts and hits the Bullseye • The Register

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Thank you, Samuel, but that's for the Graphic User Interface, I should have made it clearer that I was speaking about configuring the Accessible Text Installation using the console and having the text larger during installation by preconfiguring (and hopefully leaving it that way) the largest conso

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 15 août 2021 07:03:51 -0400, a ecrit: > I have the log files of unsuccessful installation of my Bullseye AMD64 RC > Netinstall CD here: > > [1]http://qsl.net/n1ea/bullseyerc3netinstall.tar.gz This is telling me 404. > Thanks to Jude for replying to my previous posts, ot

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jude DaShiell, le dim. 15 août 2021 12:01:44 -0400, a ecrit: > The first thing that needs to be done for the wi-fi users is to make an > experimental installer and keep it in-house. Find out if ifup or other > utilities can bring up wi-fi after first boot. wi-fi questions should really be brought

d-i & sound boards that need firmwares: errata?

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, As reported by a few users, some sound boards nowadays need firmwares to be able to emit sound. So it's the same situation as the amdgpu etc. video cards. Except that the BIOS doesn't provide a fallback interface that espeakup would be able to use, so we need to load the firmware before esp

Re: Debian 11 formally debuts and hits the Bullseye • The Register

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 15 août 2021 22:07:03 -0400, a ecrit: > A good improvement would be to configure the screen using the large > VGA fonts by selection in the installer. There is already an "Accessible dark contrast installer menu" boot option, that provides larger fonts. Also, in the graph

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Pawel L.wrote: > The Speakup volume is extremely low during the installation process. Did you take a look at the documentation for accessibility support in the installer? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.en.html#idm1260 It notably says “The default volume should be m

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
I don't think I've ever done an install of Debian with either Gnome or Mate, but considering those are, best I can tell, two of the three most popular desktop environments among mainstream Linux users(KDE being the third), I find it hard to believe that something as big as an endless loop of trying

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Giving a general answer first. First, only reported issues can be fixed. Then, when an issue is reported very late in the release process it's really difficult to fix it, or stop the release because of it. We cannot halt the world just because on some hardware there are driver issues. It

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread john doe
On 8/18/2021 8:06 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: Gas lighted? Surely that's a screen reader mistake because it doesn't make sense to me. They should have stopped the release because few things are worse than a release that doesn't work at all. I have stripped the rant. When someone on this very

RE: editing files using VIM on remote server

2021-08-18 Thread adilhusain shaikh
Thanks a lot Geoff,It solved my issue. I’m really out of words. I’m truly thankful for your help.😊 Best wishes  Sent from Mail for Windows From: Geoff ShangSent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 8:42 PMTo: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.orgSubject: RE: editing files using VIM on remote server On Wed,

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Gas lighted? Surely that's a screen reader mistake because it doesn't make sense to me. They should have stopped the release because few things are worse than a release that doesn't work at all. But Debian has a reputation to live up to, and the same thing happened with Buster but the Buster prob

RE: editing files using VIM on remote server

2021-08-18 Thread adilhusain shaikh
Hi John,I don’t have any intention to disobey the mailing list.I don’t think my issue is specific to Cent OS. This  happens to me on ubuntu as well with IBM PPC64 bit architecture.  Is there a general mailing list for Linux?where I can ask my question. It’s been a month that I’ve been trying to fig

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jude DaShiell
It could have been seen and gas lighted. On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > Not being to log in as a user into the graphical user interface and being > inaccessible to visually impaired users who have more than one sound card, > makes it a fail as far as I can tell. > Too bad they di

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jude DaShiell
There's 1 through 10 each of which is in a smaller ring the bullseyes are inside the 10 ring. On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > I'm not familiar with darts, shooting ranges, or anything else in the > target hitting category... how good/bad is a score of 9 for a single > shot? > >

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
I'm not familiar with darts, shooting ranges, or anything else in the target hitting category... how good/bad is a score of 9 for a single shot?

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Not being to log in as a user into the graphical user interface and being inaccessible to visually impaired users who have more than one sound card, makes it a fail as far as I can tell. Too bad they didn't see my message about RC3 failures that I sent. Best wishes, David On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at

RE: editing files using VIM on remote server

2021-08-18 Thread Geoff Shang
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, Geoff Shang wrote: Your issue is caused by the time it takes for the cursor position to update. As a matter of interest, the setting for this in Speakup appears to be cursor_time and, in my install at least, is set to 120. But I'm still running Debian Jessie (yes, yes,

RE: editing files using VIM on remote server

2021-08-18 Thread Geoff Shang
Hi, Your issue is caused by the time it takes for the cursor position to update. When you are editing locally, you press down arrow, the screen reader waits some milliseconds for the cursor to move, then reads the current line. But if you are connecting to a remote server that's more than

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Jude DaShiell
Debian thought they hit the bullseye with this one, likely the range would score this one as a 9. On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > I sent a message to the group that the Release of Bullseye has two big > problems. > > 1.) You cannot log into MATE as a regular user. > 2.) The sound

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I sent a message to the group that the Release of Bullseye has two big problems. 1.) You cannot log into MATE as a regular user. 2.) The sound card detection and selection dialog is broken because there is no sound to hear to verify which sound card works. If you know they your sound card is the l

Re: Intel-Atom N270 processor question

2021-08-18 Thread Ole Guldberg
According to Intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/36331/intel-atom-processor-n270-512k-cache-1-60-ghz-533-mhz-fsb/specifications.html the Intel Atom N270 is a 32 bit-only processor. That means you should go for the i386 architecture. For example you could download from: https

Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Pawel L.
Hi, The Speakup volume is extremely low during the installation process. In the graphical environment, after login, I have no speech and my Braille display shows only 'Window without name" message. No issues within the console so far. Any fix for the graphical environment, please? I tried the alt+F

Re: Intel-Atom N270 processor question

2021-08-18 Thread Jason White
Larry Honaker wrote: > As the subject indicates I have an old Netbook computer which I would > like to > experiment with as my first real attempt at a Debian > install. Where does the > Intel-Atom processor fit in the various > possible install configurations? So far as I know, it's simply an x

Re: editing files using VIM on remote server

2021-08-18 Thread john doe
On 8/18/2021 9:38 AM, adilhusain shaikh wrote: Thanks everyone for their response, Hi Samuel, I tried running :set noruler in vim command mode, but no luck. Hi Frank and john , I’m not using speak up. On windows, I used NVDA and JAWS. On Linux, I used Gnome-orca. Frank, maybe you’re write.

Intel-Atom N270 processor question

2021-08-18 Thread Larry Honaker
I have had brief encounters with the Unix/Linux environments during my career in the Windows world. I have always had an interest in Linux and now have the time to devote to getting a fully functional Debian install up and running. As the subject indicates I have an old Netbook computer which I

RE: editing files using VIM on remote server

2021-08-18 Thread adilhusain shaikh
Thanks everyone for their response, Hi Samuel,I tried running :set noruler in vim command mode, but no luck. Hi Frank and john ,I’m not using speak up. On windows, I used NVDA and JAWS. On Linux, I used Gnome-orca. Frank, maybe you’re write. Visually, the cursor goes to next line. But for some reas