Re: Collecting Wayland issues [Was: default desktop]

2019-02-09 Thread john doe
On 2/9/2019 3:16 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland? > How do I go about testing wayland? Should I tested on Mate or on Gnome? -- John Doe

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I like your suggestion, too. It's so important to have a distro that installs a command line desktop. Debian has all the pieces to do it. Best wishes, David On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 13:21 Mewtamer wrote: > This is just a suggestion, but perhaps, instead of having "Debian > Desktop Environment" as

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread Jude DaShiell
I like your suggestion! On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Mewtamer wrote: > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 13:21:18 > From: Mewtamer > To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: default desktop > Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 18:21:32 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > > T

Re: Gnome settings hangs orca

2019-02-09 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Jason White wrote: > If the user has to rely on "flat review" to navigate to an object, then > that indicates a serious accessibility bug I think we all agree on that. gnome-control-center is a complex app and I expect it will take someone a good deal of time to f

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread Mewtamer
This is just a suggestion, but perhaps, instead of having "Debian Desktop Environment" as an alias for the default without any explanation, perhaps it would be better to restructure the software selection menu to something like: 1. Gnome Desktop Environment(Debian Default) 2. Mate Desktop Environm

Re: Gnome settings hangs orca

2019-02-09 Thread Jason White
On 2/8/19 7:16 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: To be clear, if you're using Orca, the Orca navigation for this works quite well. Yes, everything would be great if it had keyboard navigation. And yes, for people who don't need a screen reader, but for whom a mouse is not usable, the keyboard navigation

Re: Collecting Wayland issues [Was: default desktop]

2019-02-09 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70: Orca's flat review feature to click on elements requires that being fixed. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710012. Orca's mouse review feature depends on this. I believe there are still other bugs here and there, but the above two are

Re: Accessibility of gtk2 applications in Buster

2019-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le sam. 26 janv. 2019 21:22:05 +0100, a ecrit: > Anybody up for the task of finding where session scripts live for > Wayland? It seems that can be in /usr/lib/environment.d according to man environment.d Samuel

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
john doe, le sam. 09 févr. 2019 15:26:52 +0100, a ecrit: > Agree, the point I'm trying to make is that 'Debian desktop environment' > (1 during the install process) should be the most accessible regardless > of which way you install. > > In other words: 'Debian desktop environment' (option 1 at th

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread john doe
On 2/9/2019 11:19 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > john doe, le sam. 09 févr. 2019 09:53:03 +0100, a ecrit: >> Something that is confusing is that when installing Debian with the >> kernel boot parameter 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text', 'Debian desktop >> environment' is not the desktop that is "acce

Collecting Wayland issues [Was: default desktop]

2019-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland? Jeremy Bicha, le sam. 09 févr. 2019 08:38:29 -0500, a ecrit: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:36 AM Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Ok, then you need to discuss this with the rest of the Debian GNOME > > > team. I suggest the debian-

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:36 AM Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Ok, then you need to discuss this with the rest of the Debian GNOME > > team. I suggest the debian-gtk-gnome list. (And I think it would have > > been more polite to talk to them before talking to the tasksel team.) > > > > It's a bit late

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeremy Bicha, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 20:05:03 -0500, a ecrit: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote: > > As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for > > accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of > > default desktop for Debian indeed. IIRC o

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, john doe, le sam. 09 févr. 2019 09:53:03 +0100, a ecrit: > Something that is confusing is that when installing Debian with the > kernel boot parameter 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text', 'Debian desktop > environment' is not the desktop that is "accessible". Well, yes, changing the debconf frontend is

Re: Gnome settings hangs orca

2019-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Sam Hartman, le mer. 16 janv. 2019 21:30:26 -0500, a ecrit: > > "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes: > > Samuel> Hello, Sam Hartman, le mer. 16 janv. 2019 08:04:33 -0500, a > Samuel> ecrit: > >> Orca announces the settings frame, but fails to interact with it. > > Samu

Re: default desktop

2019-02-09 Thread john doe
On 2/9/2019 2:05 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote: >> As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for >> accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of >> default desktop for Debian indeed. IIRC one of the reasons for t