Re: beta status

2005-11-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 08:28:50AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > And yet you won't upload the package to non-free, presumably because you > > think it won't be accepted by the ftp-masters, but you will distribute it > > from a project box (people.debian.org), which exposes Debian to the same > > li

Re: beta status

2005-11-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 11:16:10PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:44:53AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > > The problem with miboot is that there are 200 or so m68k instructions > > > > in the > > > > boot sector, which have not been changed since over 10 years probab

Re: beta status

2005-11-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:44:53AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > The problem with miboot is that there are 200 or so m68k instructions in > > > the > > > boot sector, which have not been changed since over 10 years probably, and > > > probably nobody at appple even remembers them, and thus we a

Re: beta status

2005-11-05 Thread Stephen R Marenka
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:38:07PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Do we *ship* Penguin? I didn't think that we did? In contrib. -- Stephen R. Marenka If life's not fun, you're not doing it right! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: beta status

2005-11-05 Thread Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem with miboot is that there are 200 or so m68k instructions in the > boot sector, which have not been changed since over 10 years probably, and > probably nobody at appple even remembers them, and thus we are not shipping > miboot even in non-fre

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:38:07PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > This is a point that is off-topic for the debian-alpha, debian-amd64, and > debian-release lists. Stop crossposting this discussion to lists where it > doesn't belong. Arg, forgot to uncross post, sorry, will remember next time. F

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:38:07PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > So why not include aminet, and what ever are the counterparts for atari, > > > mac, maybe C64, Pet2001, those were nice machines as well, and maybe we > > > still use something that was first developed on one of those machines. >

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:50:11PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > The main point is, do we ship it as part of the installer stuff, knowing it > is needed to boot, or even worse in the case of miboot, it needs to be > built into the images. This is a point that is off-topic for the debian-alpha, debia

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 02:17:22PM -0600, Eric Shattow wrote: > I have used miBoot on a nubus ppc mac (6116cd) and it is not the > optimal solution. My suggestion as a user is that you forget about > using miBoot at all, and foster development for a new GPL'ed > bootloader based on EMILE. Laurent (

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Eric Shattow
On 11/4/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 08:04:22AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 02:00:03PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 05:53:53AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 1

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 08:04:22AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 02:00:03PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 05:53:53AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:01:17PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 04,

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:08:07PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > This was resolved, only to hit the next problem with amd64: The amd64 > archive signing key is not trusted by apt. So currently testing amd64 > installs only work from the netinst CD, all the other install methods, > which use apt auth

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 08:04:22AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > It is an AmigaOS binary, built from free source with free compilers. So we > just have to > include all the free AmigaOS software to be able to ship a precompiled > amiboot? As I said, > no problem with me, maybe we include

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 02:00:03PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 05:53:53AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:01:17PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:57:12AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 05:53:53AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > > Still not in debian/main, so amiboot needs to go to contrib. > libnix is an AmigaOS library, and is available on aminet, which IIRC predates > Debian by a couple of years. Do you want to ship all free software on aminet >

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 05:53:53AM -0700, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:01:17PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:57:12AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:45:30AM +0100

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:01:17PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:57:12AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:45:30AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > >

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 01:27:52PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:57:12AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:45:30AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrot

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:57:12AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:45:30AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > > Actually, we cou

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:57:12AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:45:30AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Actually, we could simply make an exception for miboot and get it

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:45:30AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Actually, we could simply make an exception for miboot and get it into the > > > archive, i think it is no worse than other cases (like amibo

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:45:30AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > > Actually, we could simply make an exception for miboot and get it into the > > archive, i think it is no worse than other cases (like amiboot, which is > > linked to parts of amigaos, an

Re: beta status

2005-11-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Sven Luther wrote: > Actually, we could simply make an exception for miboot and get it into the > archive, i think it is no worse than other cases (like amiboot, which is > linked to parts of amigaos, and thus non-free), and we do distribute those (or > at least used to distribu

Re: beta status

2005-11-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:08:07PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > installer/doc/devel/release-checklist as we can. At a minimum we need to > make sure that businesscard, netinst, and full CDs (once we get some) > work for i386 and powerpc and that the desktop task installs ok and > works. Joeyh, i wond

Re: beta status

2005-11-02 Thread Stephen R Marenka
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:08:07PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > m68k: > > I've become aware of another issue, which is that some m68k d-i udebs > were miscompiled by a broken compiler there and don't work. I understand > that smarenka has been working on this, but I don't know the currently > status

Re: beta status

2005-11-02 Thread Joey Hess
An update on the d-i beta status. We're getting really close, AKA most things seem likely to work now. Ccing some other relevant lists. debian-boot: > - Thanks to fjp, base-installer 1.35.4 should get d-i working again with > secure apt and CDs, but we're currently m