Hi,
On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 12:51 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > The Debian m68k maintainers proposed building their packages with
> > -malign-int
> > last year, aligning to 32-bit instead of 16-bit, which improves
> > compatibility
> > with some projects and should give better perfor
On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 5:53 PM Karoly Balogh via Libc-help
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> > > I don't want to force anyone here, but I'd also be fine with that. The
> > > only
> > > downside, apart from compatibility, appears to be slightly increased
> > >
Hi,
On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > I don't want to force anyone here, but I'd also be fine with that. The only
> > downside, apart from compatibility, appears to be slightly increased memory
> > usage, and you're not exactly going to run modern Linux with 8MB RAM anyway
Hi Adrian,
On 29/08/23 22:51, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 15:17 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote:
On Aug 28 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
The FP failures are most likely the result of the limitations of the FPU
emulation
in QEMU for m68k. ARAnyM is known to hav
Hi Adrian,
On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 12:51 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 15:17 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> > On Aug 28 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > > After all, we had to change the ABI for TLS support as well, didn't
> > > we?
> >
> > Nope.
>
> So, an
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 14:29 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 14:50 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > Hi Adhemerval!
> >
> > On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 09:44 -0300, Adhemerval Zanella Netto wrote:
> > > If the idea is really to endeavor on a new ABI for m68k, it means a
>
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 15:17 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> On Aug 28 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> > The FP failures are most likely the result of the limitations of the FPU
> > emulation
> > in QEMU for m68k. ARAnyM is known to have much better FPU emulation support
> > than
> > QE
Hi,
On 29.8.2023 4.14, Finn Thain wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
And since we have to break the ABI anyway to be able to use 64-bit
time_t
If you're worried about Y2038, aren't you jumping the gun? I reckon we
have about 10 years in which to figure out what a bet
Hi Richard,
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 10:17 PM Richard wrote:
> On August 28, 2023 11:26:58 AM UTC, Richard wrote:
> >On August 28, 2023 7:00:07 AM UTC, Geert Uytterhoeven
> >wrote:
> >>On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:36 AM James Le Cuirot
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Tha
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> And since we have to break the ABI anyway to be able to use 64-bit
> time_t
If you're worried about Y2038, aren't you jumping the gun? I reckon we
have about 10 years in which to figure out what a better m68k ABI should
look like.
> I
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 08:56 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > And potentially more in the future, which may be anticipated on the
> > > basis that "those users don't need a stable ABI any more, so let's
> > > just ignore the portabil
On August 28, 2023 11:26:58 AM UTC, Richard wrote:
>
>
>
>On August 28, 2023 7:00:07 AM UTC, Geert Uytterhoeven
>wrote:
>>On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:36 AM James Le Cuirot
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
>>
>>Perhaps we need a new compiler warning: "hole in
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 14:50 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Hi Adhemerval!
>
> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 09:44 -0300, Adhemerval Zanella Netto wrote:
> > If the idea is really to endeavor on a new ABI for m68k, it means a
> > different
> > loader and the question: will it be interoperable w
On Aug 28 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> The FP failures are most likely the result of the limitations of the FPU
> emulation
> in QEMU for m68k. ARAnyM is known to have much better FPU emulation support
> than
> QEMU, so if you want to have more accurate results, you should test on AR
On 28/08/23 08:10, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
>>> Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
>>>
>>> - LLVM
>>> - Firebird Database
>>> - OpenJDK
>>> - Various Qt packages
>>>
>>
>> And potentially more in the future,
Hi Adhemerval!
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 09:44 -0300, Adhemerval Zanella Netto wrote:
> If the idea is really to endeavor on a new ABI for m68k, it means a different
> loader and the question: will it be interoperable with current m68k ABI in
> the
> sense that i686 is interoperable with x86_64? It
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 12:11 +, Richard wrote:
>
> On August 28, 2023 10:57:25 AM UTC, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 19:24 +, Richard wrote:
> > > > Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
> > >
> > > a linker that is broken by a slightl
Hi Richard,
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 2:12 PM Richard wrote:
> On August 28, 2023 10:57:25 AM UTC, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
> >On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 19:24 +, Richard wrote:
> >> > Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
> >>
> >> a linker that is broken by a slig
On August 28, 2023 10:57:25 AM UTC, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 19:24 +, Richard wrote:
>> > Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
>>
>> a linker that is broken by a slightly unusual alignment isn't exactly a
>> prime example.. if any proj
Hi Richard,
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:27 PM Richard wrote:
> On August 28, 2023 7:00:07 AM UTC, Geert Uytterhoeven
> wrote:
> >On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:36 AM James Le Cuirot
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
> >> > Moreover, why is it that only a few develop
On August 28, 2023 7:00:07 AM UTC, Geert Uytterhoeven
wrote:
>On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:36 AM James Le Cuirot
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
>> > Moreover, why is it that only a few developers have a problem with making
>> > explicit their decisions regardin
On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 08:56 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > And potentially more in the future, which may be anticipated on the basis
> > that "those users don't need a stable ABI any more, so let's just ignore
> > the portability issues in our code and leave the problem to the distros
> > and
On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
> > Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
> >
> > - LLVM
> > - Firebird Database
> > - OpenJDK
> > - Various Qt packages
> >
>
> And potentially more in the future, which may be anticipated on the basis
> that "those use
On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 19:24 +, Richard wrote:
> > Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
>
> a linker that is broken by a slightly unusual alignment isn't exactly a
> prime example.. if any project I would expect linkers and binary tools
> to pay attention to portability.
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:36 AM James Le Cuirot
wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
> > Moreover, why is it that only a few developers have a problem with making
> > explicit their decisions regarding alignment of shorts? What actual pain
> > does it cause them to accept
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 3:03 AM Finn Thain wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> > Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
> >
> > - LLVM
> > - Firebird Database
> > - OpenJDK
> > - Various
On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 11:00 PM James Le Cuirot
wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 19:24 +, Richard wrote:
> > On August 26, 2023 10:51:39 AM UTC, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> > > It's a regular occurrence that a package
On August 27, 2023 9:20:16 AM UTC, James Le Cuirot
wrote:
>On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> If the kernel breaks the ABI, that's a bu
On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> >
> > Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
> >
> > - LLVM
> > - Firebird Database
>
On Sat, 26 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> ...
>
> Not only mold but also most notably the following projects:
>
> - LLVM
> - Firebird Database
> - OpenJDK
> - Various Qt packages
>
And potentially more in the future, w
On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 19:24 +, Richard wrote:
>
> On August 26, 2023 10:51:39 AM UTC, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
> > Hi James!
> >
> > On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> > > I wasn't sure whether to send this to libc-alpha or here. This feels more
> > > lik
On August 26, 2023 10:51:39 AM UTC, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>Hi James!
>
>On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
>> I wasn't sure whether to send this to libc-alpha or here. This feels more
>> like
>> a request for help, so I decided to play it safe. :)
>
>I am CC'
Hi James!
On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> I wasn't sure whether to send this to libc-alpha or here. This feels more like
> a request for help, so I decided to play it safe. :)
I am CC'ing Debian's m68k mailing list and the Linux m68k kernel mailing list
to make sure we
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