Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-13 Thread Finn Thain
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Michael Casadevall wrote: > I suspose the question needs to be asked; what are people doing with > their old m68ks. That's almost a FAQ on this list... This is what I do with my old m68ks, and why I think it might be useful: - I write code for them. In a small way that he

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-13 Thread Kolbjørn Barmen
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Michael Casadevall wrote: > I suspose the question needs to be asked; what are people doing with > their old m68ks. Just want to answer this one, despite not using debian, hope it's ok. I've been running linux on my old A1200/Blizz1230III more or less non-stop since early 199

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-12 Thread Lance Tagliapietra
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:17:54PM -0500, Michael Casadevall wrote: [...] > > I suspose the question needs to be asked; what are people doing with their > old m68ks. Most people around here are using them for (obviously enough) > buildds to attack the unstable queue. I popped over to netbsd, whi

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-06 Thread Stephen R Marenka
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 06:12:53AM -0500, Michael Casadevall wrote: > Couple of probles with N-F-Uing KDE/GNOME > While I don't have the numbers infront of me, I won't be suprised we'd > fall apart 90% of the archive required for release, and last I checked, > the Desktop Environment option in

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-06 Thread Michael Casadevall
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:55:51AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: Should support, but won't do so. In fact IT world became rather monocultural when it comes down to architectures. MIPS is dead (except fo

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-06 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:55:51AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > > Should support, but won't do so. In fact IT world became rather monocultural > > when it comes down to architectures. MIPS is dead (except for embedded > > systems), arm is embedde

Re: Uses for m68k Was: Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-06 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Michael Casadevall wrote: > I understand the points. That's why I have suggested creating a custom Debian > Distribution which focused on lighter-weight release for embedded and older > platforms. One thing I always liked about Ubuntu and its releases that you > could install an

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-06 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > Should support, but won't do so. In fact IT world became rather monocultural > when it comes down to architectures. MIPS is dead (except for embedded > systems), arm is embedded only, PowerPC is mostly dead with the exception of > some old PPCs and mai

Re: Uses for m68k Was: Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Casadevall
ystem without all the cruft ontop of it. Michael On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Joel Ewy wrote: Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:41:09 -0600 From: Joel Ewy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-68k@lists.debian.org Subject: Uses for m68k Was: Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:45:56

Uses for m68k Was: Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-05 Thread Joel Ewy
Brad Boyer wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:17:54PM -0500, Michael Casadevall wrote: > > > >> >> I suspose the question needs to be asked; what are people doing with >> >> their >> >> old m68ks. Most people around here are using them for (obviously enough) >> >> buildds to attack the

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:17:54PM -0500, Michael Casadevall wrote: > I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a moment; from the release > manager perspective, does it pay to release two ports, one for (there > perspective) a dead architecture like m68k (popcon lists 10 users, and I Bui

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-05 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Roman Zippel wrote: > On Tuesday 4. March 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Anyway, the problem isn't that bootstrapping coldfire is hard; I can do > > that myself if needs be, and we'd have a working port within a few > > months[1]. The problem is that adding another port isn't

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-04 Thread Michael Casadevall
4 Mar 2008 12:29:02 -0800 From: Brad Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Casadevall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Finn Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-68k@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire On Tue, Mar 04, 2008

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-04 Thread Brad Boyer
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:17:54PM -0500, Michael Casadevall wrote: > I suspose the question needs to be asked; what are people doing with their > old m68ks. Most people around here are using them for (obviously enough) > buildds to attack the unstable queue. I popped over to netbsd, which is >

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-04 Thread Michael Casadevall
I do realize I'm the new guy here, but I do have an outside perspective, and I do hope I'm not getting out of line here. On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Finn Thain wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: The problem is that adding another port isn't going to be accepted by FTP masters: I don't

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-04 Thread Finn Thain
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The problem is that adding another port isn't going to be accepted by > FTP masters: I don't recall who exactly, but an FTP master did tell me > that a coldfire port in Debian would only be accepted if it was either > part of the m68k port, or repl

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-04 Thread Roman Zippel
Hi, On Tuesday 4. March 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Anyway, the problem isn't that bootstrapping coldfire is hard; I can do > that myself if needs be, and we'd have a working port within a few > months[1]. The problem is that adding another port isn't going to be > accepted by FTP masters: I d

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-04 Thread Joseph S. Myers
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > - AIUI, with a working TLS implementation it is possible to compile an > optimized library, and store it under /lib/tls/ so that the > dynamic linker will pick it up depending on the subarchitecture you're > running on. This will not make the opti

Re: debootstrapping m68k-coldfire

2008-03-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 11:50:08PM -0500, Michael Casadevall wrote: > Well, it's been discussed time and again. It's overdue; its time we > bootstrap the coldfire port. Roman convienced me in his email that having > coldfire as a seperate binary distrubution is without a shadow of a doubt > the