Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hi Andreas, I second Wouter's suggestion to file bugs at severity levels impacting release criteria only if the bug has been reproduced on actual hardware. And I can also understand Adrian's frustration well - a long time ago, I did host crest and kullervo and dealt with quite a few packages not

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 08:38:10AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > recently some R packages received bugs that seem to stem from a problem > with the build setup (specifically, a qemu bug). When I asked back in > one of the bugs[1] whether there are real m68k users I've got the answer > >

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hello, There is clearly some dissatisfaction between the science team and the m68k porters. Several behaviours have been identified in various mails to this thread that are causing friction for the other team's work. ISTM that these issues could well arise between any group of porters and any te

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hi Andreas, On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 08:11:04PM +1100, Finn Thain wrote: >> Or is there some shortcoming of the BTS that is driving this? > > I think "wontfix" is exactly the feature of the BTS that was invented to > solve the problem I desc

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hi Finn, On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 08:11:04PM +1100, Finn Thain wrote: > Is there actual value in increasing the closed bug count with "wontfix"? For me there is some value. Last year I've closed more than 300 bugs in the Debian Med team and in my Debian work more than 1300[1] just in this team.

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hi Chris! On 03/28/2018 06:01 PM, Chris Lamb wrote: > May I gently and cordially ask for a toning down of the rhethoric > in this thread? :) Yes, of course. But Andreas hit a nerve with this on me. This project has cost me lots of blood, tears and sweat and if someone is asking for it to be compl

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018, Andreas Tille wrote: > I'm personally drawng the decision that I will tag any bug that concerns > scientific software (which is my main focus) and that bug is on m68k > only as wontfix and will set severity to minor. I'm sorry but my focus > is on real use cases and stumbl

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Dear -devel, […] May I gently and cordially ask for a toning down of the rhethoric in this thread? :) Whilst everyone would agree that the m68k port has its problems and is certainly capable of imposing undue drain on developer time, I'm sure most would also understand and perhaps even relate to

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hi, Andreas Tille writes: > Getting fake bugs of severity important due to the fact that no real > hardware is used since it is to weak is not really convincing for > maintainers to spent time on it. the new 68080 CPU core might be powerful enough to build on real hardware again:

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Le 28/03/2018 à 10:10, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a écrit : > On 03/28/2018 04:59 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: >> I see no point in your repeated "to be honest" and blame others about >> low quality. If in doubt read these three bug logs: >> >>#882555, #887680, #887682 >> >> All say >> >>this f

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

On 03/28/2018 04:59 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: > I see no point in your repeated "to be honest" and blame others about > low quality. If in doubt read these three bug logs: > >#882555, #887680, #887682 > > All say > >this failure turned out to stem from a problem with the build >setup

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:50:52PM +0900, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > To be honest, lots of that scientific code has questionable quality > and I have seen lots of packages from the Debian Science team with > hard-coded compiler options and other non-sense. So, to be honest, > I could sen

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

On 28.03.2018 08:38, Andreas Tille wrote: I conclude that the Debian project is running no real m68k hardware any more (please correct me if I'm wrong) and we are possibly doing a service for some users who potentially also run qemu (wild guess of mine). I'm wondering when it might be time to f

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

On 28.03.18 09:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > I don't think Andreas is on this list. My fault, I've resend the mail to him directly. Thanks for pointing this out. -- CS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hi! On 03/28/2018 03:52 PM, Carsten Strotmann wrote: > I use m68k Debian on real m68k hardware (but not R or other scientific > software). I know at least four other people that also run/use Debian > m68k on real hardware. > > My focus use of m68k is tools and development software (interpreters,

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

Hello Andreas, On 28.03.18 08:38, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > recently some R packages received bugs that seem to stem from a problem > with the build setup (specifically, a qemu bug). When I asked back in > one of the bugs[1] whether there are real m68k users I've got the answer > > ... t

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

On 03/28/2018 03:38 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: > I conclude that the Debian project is running no real m68k hardware any > more (please correct me if I'm wrong) and we are possibly doing a > service for some users who potentially also run qemu (wild guess of > mine). I'm wondering when it might be t