Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Ernedin Zajko
On 7/6/06, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! Currently it seems a bit complicate to compare the venues with each other. Neither the reports [1][2][3][4][5][6] we have written, nor the informationen created by the local teams [7][8] work well, if you just want to campare different

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Amaya
Hi there Tolimar! Alexander Schmehl wrote: > So I took the liberty to create a seperate wiki page for that, based > upon the location checklist we created previously [9]. That's great, I think we now owe you a _bear_ too! Anyway, I am missing the estimated cost of each venue there, how hard woul

Re: [Debconf-team] my thoughts last night

2006-07-07 Thread Andreas Barth
* Riku Voipio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060706 12:53]: > Frankly I'm more worried about the mudslinging and fighting for the next > venue location. Everyone should try to keep some perspective, > there is allways a *next* year. (unless we burn out all current > organizers and nobody steps in, but let

Re: [Debconf-team] PostgreSQL might join in EDI, not in SJJ

2006-07-07 Thread Andreas Barth
* Jimmy Kaplowitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060706 17:02]: > I should qualify what I'm saying in this email by stating that > PostgreSQL as a project has not decided anything about combining a > conference with Debian, and they could say no, but it's definitely a > strong possibility to consider for bot

Re: [Debconf-team] PostgreSQL might join in EDI, not in SJJ

2006-07-07 Thread Andreas Barth
* Jimmy Kaplowitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060706 17:26]: > They will be organizing a conference around the same time regardless of > whether it's combined, and it makes sense to me to combine logistics > even if the conferences are separate. Merging logistics is not an easy step, if you want to do it

Re: [Debconf-team] PostgreSQL might join in EDI, not in SJJ

2006-07-07 Thread Josh Berkus
Andreas, Hey, I didn't share that idea because we wanted to push Debian into a decision on a venue. For one thing, either PostgreSQL or Debian might decide that merging conferences is a bad idea for cultural reasons -- PostgreSQL can be somewhat corporate-ish which I know isn't Debian's styl

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 11:27:40PM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > Please correct this, their visas would be preapproved and it is not a > promise, > since they would need to give us (the local team) their personal data and > email passport copies, but Ministry of Foreign Affair would issue t

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 01:32:49PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > > Only if it can be done soon enough so that people can buy the tickets once > they have the visa and it can be started already to get cheaper flights. Also, bear in mind that the fact that i visited EDI is not because i want and wi

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Safir Secerovic
On Friday 07 July 2006 13:32, Jesus Climent wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 11:27:40PM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > Please correct this, their visas would be preapproved and it is not a > > promise, since they would need to give us (the local team) their personal > > data and email passport c

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Ernedin Zajko
On 7/7/06, Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It can be done within a reasonable timeframe, and those people would have to confirm their attendance of DebConf7 and we need to have a list of all those people with their data offcourse. So, it is doable. It is definitely doable, onl

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060707 11:04]: > > So I took the liberty to create a seperate wiki page for that, based > > upon the location checklist we created previously [9]. > That's great, I think we now owe you a _bear_ too! I would like to have Erdbaeren :) > Anyway, I am missing the es

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Ernedin Zajko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060707 09:21]: > I think that there should be mentioned that some of the people in SJJ > Local team were/are involved in organizing different kind of events > conferences. Thanks; for pointing that out; I added it as "some of them have been active organiz

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues-Sarajevo prices update

2006-07-07 Thread Safir Secerovic
On Friday 07 July 2006 16:39, Alexander Schmehl wrote: >... > For SJJ it's quite easy: > > 33 * ( (50*7) + (350*7) ) = 92400 Euro >... Update on SJJ prices: Now we have a new offer from the Hotel Manager which says 30 euros per person per day so a rough estimate is now: 30*((50*7)+(350*7))=8400

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Ernedin Zajko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060707 15:50]: > It is definitely doable, only thing we are trying is to get some > official document for those that don't believe in that... Yes, I heard similar things from local Bosnians over here. However, I choosed the wording very carefully, after

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues-Sarajevo prices update

2006-07-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060707 16:45]: > Update on SJJ prices: [..] Thanks. I updated the numbers and put the estimations in a wiki page: http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparisonPrices Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html h

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Ernedin Zajko
On 7/7/06, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! Yes, having a official document would change that completly (I guess), but until you tell me for sure that out attendees who'll need to get a visa can have an official document, telling them that they have a visa and just need to pick i

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues-Sarajevo prices update

2006-07-07 Thread Safir Secerovic
On Friday 07 July 2006 16:45, Safir Secerovic wrote: > On Friday 07 July 2006 16:39, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > >... > > For SJJ it's quite easy: > > > > 33 * ( (50*7) + (350*7) ) = 92400 Euro > >... > > Update on SJJ prices: > Now we have a new offer from the Hotel Manager which says > 30 euros pe

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread Patty Langasek
On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 07:12:56AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > When it comes at travel, I can bet that travelling to Sarajevo or > Edinburgh from outside Europe is actually not much more expensive than > travelling to one of the major European hubs (London, Paris, > Amsterdam, Frankfurt) thr

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread Moray Allan
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 09:00 -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: > prices to EDI were ~ $900-$1000 USD *per ticket*. If you're flying from that side of the Atlantic, it might be worth checking Air Transat flights from Toronto, as mentioned on http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/Travel . They have limited fli

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread Florian Reitmeir
Hi, On Fre, 07 Jul 2006, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 07:12:56AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > When it comes at travel, I can bet that travelling to Sarajevo or > > Edinburgh from outside Europe is actually not much more expensive than > > travelling to one of the majo

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread Patty Langasek
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 06:39:26PM +0200, Florian Reitmeir wrote: > Your flight prices look strange to me, this year flying to mexico from > Austria (its nearly a neighbour to bosnia), a two way ticket, did me only > cost > about, 900 USD and this price was including a travel insurance. > (the

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Ernedin Zajko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060707 17:20]: > Well only thing I can say now is what I was told (from highly ranked > official in the Ministry - head of the dep. that is in charge of > Bosnian visas), and from the others that organized similar staff in > Bosnia (NGO meetings, festival

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread Safir Secerovic
On Friday 07 July 2006 18:00, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 07:12:56AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > When it comes at travel, I can bet that travelling to Sarajevo or > > Edinburgh from outside Europe is actually not much more expensive than > > travelling to one of the majo

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread Patty Langasek
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 08:07:38PM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > @Patty - flight for L.A. from Sarajevo on their list is only 632 euros + > taxes! While I can understand and appreciate the significant difference that you're showing me here, we're really comparing apples to oranges now (or pea

[Debconf-team] Please clarify network connection

2006-07-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! There seems to be some confusion about the network connection at the hotel. You made different statement on irc about that and there was a wiki change at the venue comparision page [1] which conflicts previous statements: "In SJJ, Internet connection could be almost free, because a member of

Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues

2006-07-07 Thread Ernedin Zajko
On 7/7/06, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! * Ernedin Zajko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060707 17:20]: > Well only thing I can say now is what I was told (from highly ranked > official in the Ministry - head of the dep. that is in charge of > Bosnian visas), and from the others that o

Re: [Debconf-team] Please clarify network connection

2006-07-07 Thread Amar Prasovic
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 21:01 +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > > There seems to be some confusion about the network connection at the > hotel. You made different statement on irc about that and there was > a wiki change at the venue comparision page [1] which conflicts > previous statements:

Re: [Debconf-team] Please clarify network connection

2006-07-07 Thread Senad Uka
On 7/7/06, Amar Prasovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday, we expect a letter of confirmation from local ISP confirming that they will sponsor AT LEAST 10 Mbps link during the DeboConf7. The same ISP already provide a DSL connection to the hotel Terme so no additional work will be required to

Re: [Debconf-team] Please clarify network connection

2006-07-07 Thread Senad Uka
I have even more information about connection, and network in general ... Hotel management claims that they will have LAN in the hotel rooms by next year. LUGBIH will create a wirelless network covering a big park nearby. Access points will be sponsored by Faculty of Electrical Engineering (Vedr

[Debconf-team] Updates to DebConf7 Sarajevo wiki pages...

2006-07-07 Thread Safir Secerovic
Hi again, our team is growing stonger day by day and we now have regular updates on all issues/priorities on our wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Sarajevo page, so please do come more often and find your answers there. We have also created a new logo for DC7 in Sarajevo, hope you like it. W

[Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-07 Thread Anthony Towns
Hey all, One of the things that's confusing me about the bidding this year is the "do or die" attitude that we seem to have gotten to; I've heard suggestions from both teams now that if they don't get DebConf 7 they're going to give up and not try again. That seems a bit crazy to me -- it's just

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-07 Thread Safir Secerovic
On Saturday 08 July 2006 02:39, Anthony Towns wrote: >... > sapphire_sjj: If we chose UK, how do you think your crowd would > take it? Would you still be motivated to push for it on a next > Debconf? gwolf, we will not bid again, honestly. you given > us too much mud at our face, but we are f

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread David Moreno Garza
Patty Langasek wrote: > That's not entirely accurate. I just did a quick search on flights into SJJ > and EDI for June of next year (to compare prices on a relatively equal > scale) and found that prices to SJJ were ~ $1600-$1700 USD *per ticket* and > prices to EDI were ~ $900-$1000 USD *per ticke

Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite

2006-07-07 Thread Safir Secerovic
On Saturday 08 July 2006 03:33, David Moreno Garza wrote: >... > I'm quite surprised here, also. I started to search also for some > flights from Latin America and I found a price (yes again, roughly > search) for around $1950, which is just too much to SJJ, via United > on MEX-IAD-VIE-SJJ, compare

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Perrier
> Yes, we are going for all or nothing proposal, we believe we are worth and > more than capable of having a great DebConf7 in Sarajevo. Thank you very much > for your proposal, but will not settle for less. I personnally regard this as sad. I actually share AJ's feelings. This is not a "win o

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-07 Thread Patty Langasek
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 03:04:13AM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > Yes, we are going for all or nothing proposal, we believe we are worth and > more than capable of having a great DebConf7 in Sarajevo. Thank you very much > for your proposal, but will not settle for less. I think what bothers m