Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-04-03 Thread Philipp Hug
Hi David, We do already accept donations directly to our bank accounts and this is also how most of the sponsors paid us. This is the best way for us financially as it costs us nothing. (bank transfer cost is usally paid by the sender and is lower for higher amounts as it's normally a flat fee) Bu

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-04-02 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Philip Hands writes: > Brian Gupta writes: > >> Let's not lose sight of the fact that these donations will be matched so >> even though so small percentage of the donations will be eaten in fees, the >> net contribution to Debian will be on the order of 197% of what one >> pays. > > Given that t

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-04-01 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
Hi Gunnar, On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 09:22:35AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > But then again, it seems to work for many people, and it's accepted by > SPI (and by our sponsor). So, I'm not going to oppose a mechanism that > can get DebConf (up to) an extra US$10K! SPI itself doesn't accept PayPal, th

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-04-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Kahn Gillmor dijo [Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 10:06:11AM -0400]: > I'm not moray, but i'll tell you mine: > > i used to have a paypal account. Then, they changed their terms of > service, and told me that i'd need to review and agree to their new > terms of service for me to continue having an

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-04-01 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 03/31/2013 02:59 PM, David Prévot wrote: >> On Mar 31, 2013 12:01 PM, "Moray Allan" wrote: > >>> I try to avoid using Paypal myself for reasons unrelated to their fees > > Would you mind sharing those reasons? I'm not moray, but i'll tell you mine: i used to have a paypal account. Then, t

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
Hi David, On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 02:59:10PM -0400, David Prévot wrote: > >> However, your message seems to imply that other methods of donation don't > >> carry equivalent fees, which unfortunately they do. > > You’re comparing two really different things. On one side, a for profit > bank like c

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread Brian Gupta
On Mar 31, 2013 2:59 PM, "David Prévot" wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > Le 31/03/2013 14:19, Brian Gupta a écrit : > > Let's not lose sight of the fact that these donations will be matched > > That’s only true unless we do not raise over the 5000 $ limit (t

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-31 12:59, David Prévot wrote: You’re comparing two really different things. On one side, a for profit bank like company, on the other, a non for profit trusted organization. For fairness, I encourage you to compare the PayPal fees to those of a bank. That's exactly why I made the c

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread Philip Hands
Brian Gupta writes: > Let's not lose sight of the fact that these donations will be matched so > even though so small percentage of the donations will be eaten in fees, the > net contribution to Debian will be on the order of 197% of what one > pays. Given that there are people who'd prefer to a

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread David Prévot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Le 31/03/2013 14:19, Brian Gupta a écrit : > Let's not lose sight of the fact that these donations will be matched That’s only true unless we do not raise over the 5000 $ limit (thus the encouragement to “include on this page (or link to) the a

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:01:39AM -0600, Moray Allan wrote: > These fees are shown in the SPI Treasurer's reports, e.g. > http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2013-March/003171.html > > " Debian > Debit Card Fee 3.00 > Processing Fees31

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread Brian Gupta
Let's not lose sight of the fact that these donations will be matched so even though so small percentage of the donations will be eaten in fees, the net contribution to Debian will be on the order of 197% of what one pays. On Mar 31, 2013 12:01 PM, "Moray Allan" wrote: > On 2013-03-30 07:09, Davi

Re: [Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-31 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-30 07:09, David Prévot wrote: Could we know the amount of money (percentage) that will be “donated“ to PayPal on behalf of the matching fund initiative. I mean, on top of the conversion fee: is it something like 3 % ? I try to avoid using Paypal myself for reasons unrelated to thei

[Debconf-team] PayPal donations, and fees

2013-03-30 Thread David Prévot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Could we know the amount of money (percentage) that will be “donated“ to PayPal on behalf of the matching fund initiative. I mean, on top of the conversion fee: is it something like 3 % ? Thanks in advance for your answer, I think it’s an impo