Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Tassia Camoes Araujo
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:01:33PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > On IRC, you said earlier today that "there is a very strong opinion > that coordination did not work during this year". Can you please > elaborate? What did not work, and who voiced this "very strong > opinion?" > What did not w

Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Martín Ferrari [2015-08-28 14:10 +0200]: > Finally, you told me personally that you wanted to resign, months > ago. Since there was nobody else on the team, and nobody > volunteered to join, we could not replace you, so things stayed > the same. Why are you suddenly so attached? You m

Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
> On 28 Aug 2015, at 13:44, Margarita Manterola > wrote: (…) > If the team decides that I'm not the best person to lead the > coordination team, I'm perfectly happy to step aside and let someone > else do it. If the chairs decide this without even explaining to me > why, then I'm not going to g

Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Martín Ferrari
On 28/08/15 14:44, Margarita Manterola wrote: >> Really I check the d-d-a every morning for that. > This is a very bad symptom of how bad things are in the team right > now. There are many factors that contributed to this situation. None of us is happy about that, but these are the cards we've be

Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Margarita Manterola
Hi, On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: >> Imagine if tomorrow the DPL would send a mail to d-d-a saying that the >> chairs are replaced (...) ? > Really I check the d-d-a every morning for that. This is a very bad symptom of how bad things are in the team right now. This

Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
> On 28 Aug 2015, at 13:05, Margarita Manterola > wrote: (…) > Imagine if tomorrow the DPL would send a mail to d-d-a saying that the > chairs are replaced by foo, bar, baz, and you learn about it from the > mail. Would you be happy about that? Even if you had been thinking of > quitting before

Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Margarita Manterola
Hi, On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: >> The mail says that it's a request for comments, but the changes were >> already made in the wiki, which is a dissonance with requesting >> comments. > A wiki is a wiki. We request comments from all people. When you already edited

Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Hello Marga, > On 28 Aug 2015, at 11:59, Margarita Manterola > wrote: > > The DebConf Chairs are supposed to be leading the team. Leading may > mean sometimes taking hard decisions, but most of the time it should > mean guiding, working with the team towards achieving consensus and > making sur

[Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above

2015-08-28 Thread Margarita Manterola
The DebConf Chairs are supposed to be leading the team. Leading may mean sometimes taking hard decisions, but most of the time it should mean guiding, working with the team towards achieving consensus and making sure that ideas are heard. Imposing changes from above without consultation is not lea