I really thought people working on a project like Debian would understand
the meaning of the "anonymous" word. Then we blame government and
politicians.
It didn't happened. It was considered and then rejected, just like bad
laws. Because everyone has a chance to be listened. But one thing is being
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:01:34PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> It would worry me that it was even considered to accept money from a
> murderer company.
If these people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh-Morpork_Assassins%27_Guild
would use Debian it is perfectl in line with our social c
On 04/12/12 15:02, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:01:34PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> It would worry me that it was even considered to accept money from a
>
> If these people
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh-Morpork_Assassins%27_Guild
>
> would use Debian it
Jose Luis Rivas writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
13"):
> I really thought people working on a project like Debian would understand
> the meaning of the "anonymous" word. Then we blame government and
> politicians.
I'm sorry, I don't follow your point. When politicia
Ian Jackson writes:
> According to Moray this proposed strings-attached donation was used as
> an argument by some members of the Debconf team in favour of making the
> decision favoured by the donor. That is wholly unacceptable. It
> amounts exactly to the donors buying influence.
> The fact
On 04/12/12 17:10, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Ian Jackson writes:
>
>> According to Moray this proposed strings-attached donation was used as
>> an argument by some members of the Debconf team in favour of making the
>> decision favoured by the donor. That is wholly unacceptable. It
>> amounts exa
Daniel Pocock writes:
> a) Holger, a DebConf chair, was concerned about Le Camp's budget on 25
> October (referring to it as GourmetConf) and unwilling to support it
> http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20121025.200948.bca7a335.en.html
> "100k for food is just insane. We are neither GourmetC
On 04/12/12 18:02, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Daniel Pocock writes:
>
>> a) Holger, a DebConf chair, was concerned about Le Camp's budget on 25
>> October (referring to it as GourmetConf) and unwilling to support it
>> http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20121025.200948.bca7a335.en.html
>> "100k
Hi,
I'm sick and saddened to read these mails and will not participate in any
further of this.
Also, I cannot stop thinking "gigantic bikeshedding (mostly from people who
never build one). And based on rumors of what the bikeshed is supposed to
look, while not listening to the people who actu
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
13"):
> The part that I'm missing here is what you felt should have been done
> differently.
This is a reasonable question.
> Let's assume that Debian has no control over the offering of the donation
> (or loan) in the f
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 06:21:56PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Russ Allbery writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
> 13"):
> > The part that I'm missing here is what you felt should have been done
> > differently.
>
> This is a reasonable question.
>
> > Let's assume that
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sick and saddened to read these mails and will not participate in any
> further of this.
>
> Also, I cannot stop thinking "gigantic bikeshedding (mostly from people who
> never build one). And based on rumors of what the bikeshed
Hi,
at first: Can we *please* stop crossposting to debian-project!
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 05:48:51PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> a) Holger, a DebConf chair, was concerned about Le Camp's budget on 25
> October (referring to it as GourmetConf) and unwilling to support it
> http://lists.debconf.
Ian Jackson writes:
> Russ Allbery writes:
>> That seems to be exactly what happened.
> No. My reading of Moray's message is that some members of the Debconf
> teams used the existence of the donation as an argument in favour of
> selecting Le Camp as the site.
At least for some period of time
Russ Allbery dijo [Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:42:47AM -0800]:
> (... big snip ...)
> What remedy or action are you looking for here? I don't think breaking
> the anonymity of a donation that never happened really makes sense. Are
> you looking for site selection to be re-opened? Further reassurance
TL;DR ⇒ I'm sick of this discussion. I'm calling the DebConf chairs to
vote _NOW_ to sign or repeal the contract. I'm voting to
sign. (Do we need consensus between the three? Can we vote?)
I will probably do some netiquette breaches in this post... So,
apologies to all, but I think
Le mardi 04 décembre 2012 à 15:02 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> If these people
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh-Morpork_Assassins%27_Guild
>
> would use Debian it is perfectl in line with our social contract.
> Thus I can't see a reason why they should not sponsor DebConf.
There’s a
Le mardi 04 décembre 2012 à 13:38 -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit :
> People, (most of) the Swiss team is pissed with the lack of trust and
> lack of respect we have been showing for months already, and that now
> some very vocal outsiders (i.e. Debian people who are not involved in
> this year's DebCon
Leandro Gómez
> Yes, please stop this nonsense!
OK, sure, but could everyone also please stop this sort of nonsense:
> If you haven't been part of local team organizing a DebConf, you don't know
> how frustrating and demoralizing this kind of discussion is. [...]
and (quoting Gunnar Wolf):
> w
On 12/04/2012 10:36 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 04 décembre 2012 à 13:38 -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit :
>> People, (most of) the Swiss team is pissed with the lack of trust and
>> lack of respect we have been showing for months already, and that now
>> some very vocal outsiders (i.e. Debia
Dear Giacomo,
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:27:18AM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> On 12/04/2012 10:36 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Is the “outsiders” word also meaning to describe people who were asked
> > for sponsorship and discovered later that the brochure they were sent
> > had almost
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