Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs (was: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys)

2006-05-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 02:12:48PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:28:35PM +0200, Filippo Giunchedi wrote: > > Is there a list of official documents (with photos) that we can consider > > acceptable for a KSP?. If there's not we definitely need one. > > However this is ra

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:47:20PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote: > The Debian project heavily relies on keysigning for much of its > work. However, I think the question what the signing of a key > actually accomplishes has not been properly addressed. In my > opinion, from the point of view of the

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I know that Peter Palfrader (weasel) submits sometimes a clear fake key > to KSPs and looks for people signing it. (No, there is nobody there who > claims to be that person. Only the key on the list.) For future reference, I personnally dislike people

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 12:33:54PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Within the Schengen area (European Union plus Norway, Vatican, > and... any others?), you travel between countries without even > waving your passport at anybody. Yes, but that's because the Schengen area is one area in this. You stil

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 04:54:19PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: >> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote: >>> I'm pretty sure we can find official IDs that look so lame that you'd think >>> it's a fake > Al

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:07:22PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > The obvious example is the UK, which insists on checking your > passport if you come from the mainland. The www.britishembassy.gov.uk website suggests EEA nationals need only an ID card. -- Lionel

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But then again people could lookup say mexican IDs and visas before > going to a KSP in mexico so they have some clue what it should look > like. Actually, in the present case, I believe it turns out that Martin Krafft's ID was exactly what it cl

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:28:35PM +0200, Filippo Giunchedi wrote: >> Is there a list of official documents (with photos) that we can consider >> acceptable for a KSP?. If there's not we definitely need one. >> However this is rather tricky because the

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:07:22PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > > The obvious example is the UK, which insists on checking your > > passport if you come from the mainland. Passport or ID Card, that is. > The www.britishembassy.gov.uk website suggests EEA n

[Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:47:20PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote: > Dear Manoj, dear fellow DDs, Hi, I'm just going to address the question you made that was directed to me. > also sprach Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [2006.05.25.1300 -0500]: > > FWIW, I noted down those ke

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > First of all, my name is Martin Felix Krafft (with a final 't'), and > my GPG key ID is 0x330c4a75. The unofficial ID I presented listed > that name (without the middle name), a photo is available from [1] > (sorry, can't do better now). Thus, the ID card is an unofficial > card, but the ide

[Debconf-discuss] Alternative keysigning procedures

2006-05-28 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 04:54 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:47:20PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote: > > > I imagine an improved protocol for the keysigning, which is based on > > an idea I overheard after the party (and someone mentioned it in the > > thread): instead of th

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This has opened a can of worms; because your transnational ID was as > official as it could get. Most of us do not know what other countries > consider to be official, and it's more of an intent and goodwill > rather than scientific or legally binding o

[Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 27 May 2006, martin f. krafft spake thusly: > Dear Manoj, dear fellow DDs, > > I guess I could have known that this experiment of mine would turn > into a huge thread, unfortunately extending across two mailing > lists. Thus, it is surely in order for me to apologise for being the > cause that

[Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Any act of deception, meant to exploit the weaknesses of the > system rather than participating in a key signing in good faith is > likely to have had this effect, yes. That's true. What about Martin's actions, as they have been reported,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:57:55PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > If I were to crack a key signing party, using Bubba's travel > > documents, I too would swear up and down the street that he indeed > > correctly and diligently verified all kinds of _other_ government > > ID's whe