RE: Tampa using cameras to scan for wanted faces--

2001-07-06 Thread petro
>> From: petro[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> Mr. May: >> >> >One of the interesting things is that _ear shape_ is one of the best >> >correlation features. >> >> Hmmm... >> >> Maybe it's time to market a li

Re: Meatspace anonymity manual

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote: > >>They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite >>awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real* >>troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an "affinity squad" will >>target that individual. By making it very di

Re: You ARE the weakest link. Good-bye!

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>>The progression was reasonably simple, as I recall. >> >>First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival >> of the fittest, etc. > >Teaching people this fact might do wonders for getting ten million >leeches off the welfare rolls and state subsidy scams, so I applaud

Re: Find Waldo now!

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>In adopting the black outfit the Black Bloc has made themselves easier >to single out. > >What about doing something a little more sophisticated like, say, >everyone wears jeans and sneakers and rolls a die to choose : > >Baseball cap, bandana, t-shirt color. > >Limit the garb to a small set of c

Re: Satellite taxes

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>Um, wouldn't a natural way to assess property taxes be to first decide >in which jurisdiction the property rests? For instance project the One of the points that L.A. County is using to assess these taxes is that it is property that owned by a (to them) local corporation that *isn't* i

Re: Meatspace,

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>Nonsense, that's not what I said at all. I raised some serious issues--and >all ad-hominem attacks aside, here are a few more for anyone who feels up >for it: > >Can you see a fundamental difference between activism/protest/resistance >that makes a difference and "illegal operations on the stree

Re: Most of a nation on probation (GPS convicts)

2001-07-17 Thread Petro
>For Jah's sake, tossing a dog into traffic only gets you probation... Huh? FWIR the Poodle Puncher got prison time.

Re: Who can tax a satellite?

2001-07-17 Thread Petro
At 11:45 PM -0700 7/12/01, Matt Beland wrote: >It's a moot point anyway, but for the record, the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 >states that no nation may claim jurisdiction or territory beyond the limits >of Earth's atmosphere, which is spelled out in a separate treaty as being >100km altitude ab

Re: General Ashcroft make his move

2001-07-18 Thread Petro
At 7:55 PM -1000 7/12/01, Reese wrote: >This makes it likely for Ashcrap's justice department to drop the case, >which means a clear 2nd Amendment issue will not go to the SCoTUS, which >means as soon as this case is out of the pipeline, they can "change" >their policy just like they just did. Es

Re: violent antitax protest/riot in US

2001-07-18 Thread Petro
At 9:40 PM -0400 7/15/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >This is amazing. If anything like this was even attempted in DC, >we'd have dozens of federal agencies, and perhaps armed troops, >converging on the U.S. Capitol. They had that happen in Nashville as well. The Cops showed up minutes into

RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists

2001-07-20 Thread Petro
At 4:56 PM -0500 7/20/01, Jim Choate wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >> Tim May wrote: >> >> > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE >> > PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR >> > PROPERTY? >> > >> > Why are't shop owners spraying the >> > looters with automatic weapons fire? >> > >> > Becaus

Re: What the Swiss have

2001-07-20 Thread Petro
At 5:18 PM -0400 7/20/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sandman wrote: ># >#I'm not sure where George's "here" is... > >New York City, Third Planet From the Sun. Try moving out of a socialist third-world country.

Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime

2001-07-20 Thread Petro
At 10:18 PM -0400 7/20/01, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: Seth Finkelstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime > > Remember what I told you: "If you think Clinton was dismal, >you're going to find ou

Re: Rallies on Monday

2001-07-21 Thread Petro
At 8:23 PM -0400 7/20/01, GeEk wrote: >Just wondering (because maybe you don't live in the US). But why are you >all gonna protest because some Russian got arrested for breaking the law?? >\ Probably because he got arrested on American Soil, by American Cops for breaking an American law

Re: Killing the G8 Anarchists

2001-07-22 Thread Petro
At 10:37 AM -0700 7/21/01, Morlock Elloi wrote: >> Their anti-property rights slogans, their disdain for private property, >> their embrace of socialist and Marxist ideology? See a nice writeup on this >> point that Cato's Aaron Lucas sent to my Politech list: > >Cato is the first place that I vi

Re: THE INCHOATE LAWYER

2001-07-22 Thread Petro
At 9:41 PM -0700 7/22/01, Black Unicorn wrote: >I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he presents a valid ETS >score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort. Willing to make me the same offer?

RE:

2001-07-22 Thread Petro
At 1:18 PM -0700 7/22/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Ray Dillinger wrote: > >> This is just a guess, but what *I* >> think motivates these people is >> frustration and disenfranchisement. >> It's not that any substantial group >> of them want any particular thing, >> it's just that the whole bunch of

RE:

2001-07-23 Thread Petro
At 11:29 PM -0700 7/22/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Petro wrote: > >> I'd bet my wife's next paycheck that >> at least 90% of those bastards are >> appointed. > >I wouldn't take that bet because I'm sure you are right. However, that just &

Re: Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime

2001-07-23 Thread Petro
At 9:21 PM -0500 7/22/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Petro wrote: >> At 12:32 PM -0500 7/21/01, Benson Schliesser wrote: >> >> We still live in a country that has laws, and we *should* expect the LEAs >> >to enforce all laws that are on the bo

Re: Adobe, EFF Call for Dmitry Release

2001-07-24 Thread Petro
At 5:25 PM -0700 7/23/01, Gabriel Rocha wrote: >,[ On Mon, Jul 23, at 07:44PM, John Young wrote: ]-- >| Adobe Systems Incorporated and the Electronic Frontier >| Foundation today jointly recommend the release of Russian >| programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody. >| >| A

Re: Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime

2001-07-24 Thread Petro
At 5:08 PM -0500 7/23/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Petro burbled upon us thusly: > >> Another point you bring up is that a LEO should not enforce laws >> that "clearly" violate the constitution. >> >> A LEO cannot do tha

RE: Air Force Turns 747 Into Holster for Giant Laser (washingtonp ost.com)

2001-07-24 Thread Petro
At 1:43 AM +0300 7/24/01, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >But I also think the question Choate posed is a valid one: what happens when >the target is *not* a ballistic missile, but people, equipment and vehicles >on the ground, normal aircraft, or air-to-air missiles? One would think that >the lower veloci

RE: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers & self defence

2001-07-24 Thread Petro
At 7:18 PM -0700 7/23/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Not-a-lawyer wrote: > >> No, the cops panicked... > >You really should become a lawyer or even a judge. You seem to already have >figured this one out by ESP or something. Wow, I'm fucking impressed with >your legal acumen. > >> And then there is

Re: Vengeance Against Adobe

2001-07-25 Thread Petro
At 11:47 PM -0500 7/23/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: > >> Adobe will be suffering for a long time to come. > >While it is a consummation devoutly to be wished, I predict that the >"backlash" will be gone in a mere matter of weeks, if not days. Let's >face it: t

Re: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers & self defence

2001-07-25 Thread Petro
At 9:21 PM -0500 7/23/01, Jim Choate wrote: >While it's true the hole would have reduced the cushion impact of breaking >the glass it would not have eliminated it. > >NATO says it takes a transfer of approx. 85 Joules to kill. That's ridiculous. There are far too many variables involved

Re: A proletariat experiment...

2001-07-25 Thread Petro
>The bottle is a little smaller than a 15 lb bottle, of course the 15 lb's >refers to the weight of the bottle itself, it is closer to 50 lbs if it is >fully charged with carbon dioxide (which we have no way to know whether it >it was charged or what it was (once?) charged with). Well, me

Re: Vengeance Against Adobe

2001-07-25 Thread Petro
At 9:56 PM -0700 7/23/01, Eric Cordian wrote: >Tim writes: > >> Adobe's use of police state measures to have a minor critic (by their >> own later admission) yanked out of a conference is not likely to be >> forgotten quickly. I expect this will have consequences when they >> eventually resume

Re: Vengeance Against Adobe

2001-07-25 Thread petro
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:03:59AM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Adobe's fine on the consumption side -- it's customers, as you say, > are fat and happy. But on the production side, Adobe can't take > very many really serious hits. At best, it onl

Re: Vengeance Against Adobe

2001-07-25 Thread Petro
At 10:21 PM + 7/24/01, Dr. Evil wrote: >Photoshop? We have the gimp. Illustrator? We have Kontour. These >products are all as good as or better than the competing Adobe >products, and they're all free. I won't argue about Kontour, since I haven't used it yet, but xpdf still do

Re: Open 802.11b wireless access points and remailers

2001-07-25 Thread Petro
At 10:43 AM -0700 7/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Several years ago, there was discussion on the list about creating headless or >throwaway remailers (likely hidden in some institution where they could get power and >net access for a long time until they were discovered)- I didn't spend a lot

Re: Adobe, EFF Call for Dmitry Release

2001-07-26 Thread Petro
made was based on a mis-reading. I *thought* that the short bit I read indicated that when adobe pull the complaint, the charges were dropped. > >-Declan > > >On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:59:01AM -0700, Petro wrote: >> >> Not really. It's a vic

Re: Attention to detail lacking

2001-07-26 Thread Petro
At 8:35 PM -0700 7/24/01, Tim May wrote: >At 8:24 PM -0700 7/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I think Choate is much like this tech of mine: Have you ever seen the two of them together? > >(Not that college physics is needed. I should hope not, I've got a Fine Art degree with

Re: Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime

2001-07-26 Thread Petro
At 7:39 AM -0500 7/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> At the risk of going Choatien and stepping far beyond any >> degrees I may have, the position that each and every LEO in this >> country *should* (as opposed to does) decide for himself whether a law >> fits his understanding of the consti

RE: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers & self defence

2001-07-27 Thread Petro
At 11:35 PM -0700 7/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >-- >On 24 Jul 2001, at 1:20, Petro wrote: >> And what is the primary responsibility of a soldier? Well, in >> Basic Training I was informed that my basic task was to seek >> out the enemy and destroy him. >> &g

Re: Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime

2001-07-30 Thread Petro
At 7:20 AM -0500 7/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Petro wrote: > >> >> >a great majority of an LEO's "education" time is spent instructing them on >> >how to determine [decide] what is and is not constitutionally protected &g

Re: Lasers and ICBMs

2001-07-31 Thread Petro
At 11:39 PM -0700 7/26/01, Alan Olsen wrote: >On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: >> > A lot of the calculations being sketched out here, of watts/cm^2, >> > dwell times, gold coatings, etc. are slightly off-base. We've known >> > for 20+ years that the

Re: Mr. Wienke, help me out on this -- Re: FW: General Ashcroftmake his move

2001-07-31 Thread Petro
At 7:51 AM -0700 7/30/01, Richard Stevens wrote: >--- Jonathan Wienke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I get the NRA's American Rifleman magazine. The July >> issue also has >> an article about Ashcroft's letter, which does not >> quote the rather >> lengthy footnote. However, it does contain a l

Re: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime

2001-07-31 Thread Petro
At 10:29 AM -0700 7/30/01, Black Unicorn wrote: >- Original Message - >> At 7:20 AM -0500 7/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Petro wrote: >> >You are confusing "civilians" and LEOs. Only civilians are held to the >> >

Re: Spoilation, escrows, courts, pigs.

2001-08-01 Thread Petro
This is truely humorous. As BU said earlier "You overestimate the average contextual awareness level of the typical cypherpunk reader I think." He's right. At 11:19 PM -0700 7/31/01, Tim May wrote: >At 10:19 PM -0700 7/31/01, Black Unicorn wrote: >>I've seen more of this in the white collar

Re: Spoilation, escrows, courts, pigs.

2001-08-01 Thread Petro
At 3:34 AM -0700 8/1/01, Subcommander Bob wrote: >At 01:31 AM 8/1/01 -0700, Petro wrote: >> >>>I say this is bullshit. By your vague (no plausible cites, just some >1L literatlisms), whispering is spoliation. Failure to archive tape >recordings of conversations is spoliati

RE: Gotti, evidence, case law, remailer practices, civil cases, civilit

2001-08-03 Thread Petro
At 12:20 AM -0700 8/3/01, Lucky Green wrote: >Ray wrote: > >> [...] as one who >> is not of the Priveleged Caste in terms of access to legal information, >> (ie, willing to pay thousands of bucks to Westlaw or whoever each >> year) I am grateful to him for passing it on. > >There are Cypherpunk

RE: Spoliation cites

2001-08-03 Thread Petro
At 7:22 PM -0700 8/2/01, Black Unicorn wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >> Behalf Of Harmon Seaver >> As others have stated, if you don't keep logs, or throw away all >> your reciepts, there's not jack they can do about it. > >Uh,

RE: Gotti, evidence, case law, remailer practices, civil cases, civility

2001-08-03 Thread Petro
At 8:09 PM -0700 8/2/01, Black Unicorn wrote: >value. (Revisit my IANAL discussion in posts a few days ago in which I >wonder aloud why these posters are taken seriously while the "I am not a >doctor, but" posters are not). Don't know where you've been reading the last 10 years, but i

Re: Traceable Infrastructure is as vulnerable as traceable messages.

2001-08-06 Thread Petro
At 11:33 AM -0400 8/5/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Last I checked, the vast bulk of remailers were in North America and >Europe. Given sufficient provocation (Bush twins kidnapped, Osama >talking biochemwomdterror in DC), I could easily see a coordinated set >of pre-dawn raids to "gather evidence"

Re: Star Chamber America

2001-08-08 Thread Petro
At 1:12 PM -0700 8/7/01, John Young wrote: <...> >For those unable to download the Sklyarov images, here is what >the USA's request to seal said: <...> >and arrest warrant be placed under seal to avoid compromising the >investigation or placing any of the agents involved in the investigation >in

Re: Advertisements on Web Pages

2001-08-08 Thread Petro
At 9:22 AM -0700 8/7/01, Tim May wrote: > >(I'm surprised no one has urged me to use Lynx. Is it still being used?) For very limited values of "used", yes. Not often, and not by many, but I'd bet it will build under OS X. -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It i

Re: The price of bread in Romania

2000-03-10 Thread Petro
>X-Loop: openpgp.net >From: Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Ever hear of Esperanto? > >Yeah. What was your point? The top of his head? -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** If the courts started interpreting the Second Amendment the way th

Re: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-11 Thread Petro
>On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, reject wrote: > >> Obviously, assorted FedGoons(tm) dislike untraceable money. Nasty >> terrorists, child pornographers, drug dealers, and other horsemen could >> hide their "profits" then... >> >> But is there a *legitimate* reason to have anti-money-laundering laws? I >> c

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-12 Thread Petro
>At 3:44 AM -0800 3/5/00, Petro wrote: >>>And the four cops were of course not dressed as cops...they were part of >>>the "Street Crimes Unit," meaning they were supposed to blend in by looking >>>like street thugs. >>>What Yabba.. thought was g

Re: Census Questions

2000-03-19 Thread Petro
>-- >At 11:54 PM 3/13/00 -0800, Tim May wrote: >> If one is more than 1/128th negro, one is "African-American." Though >> I've never understood why this is not just marked "niggah," as >> niggah is what the niggaz almost always refer to each other as. > >All of the people I know with signific

RE: U.S. Census questions

2000-03-19 Thread Petro
May has said: >I got my form today. It's worse than I thought. Though I got the >version written mostly in English, not the Ebonics version. <...> >There's a special question in which one is required by law to >specifically say one either is or is not Hispanic. (Though I think a >person born of

Re: Census Questions

2000-03-19 Thread Petro
Reese: >"White inside" is an evolution of "oreo." "Uncle Tom" has fallen out of >vogue, in the circles I've frequented. I'm picturing slightly modified Intel/Big Brother/Evil inside type sticker. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** If the

Re: CyberPatrol sues cryptanalysts who revealed flaws in

2000-03-21 Thread Petro
Vogt: >I don't think they had any of these deep thoughts. they were just pissed >that the software wouldn't tell them what it did. I occasionally rip >software apart for very similiar reasons, like finding out what it does, >or how it does it. if curiosity is a crime, we should all go back and >li

RE: U.S. Census questions

2000-03-24 Thread Petro
>entering 'AFDC' as their occupation (Aid to Families with Dependent >Children, i.e. welfare), kids being dragged through crackhouses from birth "Aid to Families of Dependent Classes". -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** If the courts star

Re: ZDNET FUD Taking Back The Net From Cyberthugs

2000-04-03 Thread Petro
>Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> >I suppose all things must pass - the net is just another in a long list. >> >It is being treated the same way people treat everything - if you can't >> >tame it, kill it. No appreciation for the finer things in life. >> >> We and other freedom fighters ha

RE: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
>I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those >celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man (the USG) over >Microsoft: if they can outlaw Windows, they can outlaw Linux. Anyway, at its I found this http://www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/okslip.html toda

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
Choate wrote: >On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Tim May wrote: > >> At 3:28 AM -0400 4/5/00, Tom Vogt wrote: >> >Lucky Green wrote: >> >> >> >> I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those >> >> celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man >>(the USG) over >> >> Micr

Re:Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
>Hardly. More along the lines of sheeple liking a pretty GUI, and >right now there >are no alternatives in their eyes. Show most users a *NIX box and >they're gonna >ask you why you're still using DOS... (True, I know a few that >actually said that...) So launch Xdm, and they never

RE: Next-Generation Encryption Algorithm "Camellia"

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
>> >Based on Moore's Law, this means it will be secure on computers roughly >> >10,000 times more powerful than today's systems. How likely is that? > >>Its not hard to imagine, if all we're talking about is brute force attacks. > >Those are essentially the numbers I came up with as well. Howeve

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
Burnes wrote: >BTW: For 100 points name the three types of monopolies that can exist? >Why can only one of them exist without govenment support? Why can >only one of them exist temporarily? Well, let's see if I can get this right, keeping in mind that even though I'm a college graduate,

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
>But if you know of a better government to live under, might I humbly >inquire as to why you CHOSE to live here? If I knew of a government >which was more to my tastes, I'd make myself a citizen of it. If they'd let you. -- A quote from Petro's Archives:

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
Reeses Peices: >Try saying something good about Reagan, I wanna see if you can. He had good hair for a man his age. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** If the courts started interpreting the Second Amendment the way they interpret the First

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
>> > Or should we debate the meaning of "is" also? >> >> how about the meaning of "socialist"? at the moment, your definition of >> it seems to be "everything outside of my personal opinion". > >I would define it as, to secure for the workers by hand or brain the full >fruits of their labour by me

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As

2000-04-08 Thread Petro
Sunder wrote: >Sounds a lot like communism to me. Hell, if the "workers" commonly own >something, it's communism. They don't work for themselves individually, No, it's called "Employee Stock Purchase Plans" aka "Stock Options". >monarchy, socialism, fascism, communism, dictatorship -

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As

2000-04-09 Thread Petro
Mr May said: >At 11:27 AM -0400 4/8/00, Marcel Popescu wrote: >>X-Loop: openpgp.net >>From: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic >>> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many >> > divisions does the Pope hav

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-12 Thread Petro
>On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Petro wrote: > >> Choate wrote: > >> The only relevant question is whether they used force--in >> this case the force of government to do this. In this case the answer >> is "sometimes". > >At what point did MS threaten th

Re: Crypto-Anarchy/Anarcho-Capitalist Errors in

2000-04-12 Thread Petro
>Tom Vogt wrote: >> >> but all this is hypothetical, since I'm not talking about industrial >> power of 1900 or 1940, but of corporate power in 2000, and especially of >> the years yet to come. > >Ok, so give us some documentation. How many people did Bill Gates & Co kill >and what are the details

Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-16 Thread Petro
Mr. May said: >If people won't read Friedman or Hayek or Rand or Nozick or >whatever, why will they read the refutations from folks like us? Yes, some (many?) will. I've read a bit of Rand and Hayek, not as much as many on this list, but some, and the problem with dealing with

RE: Crypto and Economics

2000-04-16 Thread Petro
>Huh? > >How is it a criticism? The use of quotations was to indicate that I >was attributing the achievment to the list, rather than to any individuals >who may or may not call themselves by that name. > >Or do you regard association of the list with the bruting efforts as >somehow a criticism? >

Re: Crypto-convict won't recant: Jim Bell gets out of prison today

2000-04-16 Thread Petro
> After Bell, a cypherpunk who the United States government dubbed a > techno-terrorist, is released Friday at 10 a.m. PDT, he plans to exact > revenge on the system that imprisoned him. If a mouse plans to bell the cat, it's generally not a good idea to display the bell to the ca

Re: WSJ: Backdoor in MS WWW software

2000-04-16 Thread Petro
>My fellow Cypherpunks, >Note: I am assuming that Tim May is not doing some kind of spoof >here. What he reports sounds like a sort of vicious fantasy. I think it was a "spoof", or a "prediction". Reread these parts: ---From May's post: >Microsoft Acknowledges Its Engineers >Placed S

Re: America, the Once and Future Police State

2000-04-19 Thread Petro
Mr. May wrote: >I will gladly set the defaults back to "No MIME," as soon as I can >find out how. Anyone know? (I see nothing in Settings to set.) There is the button with "QP" on the button bar. If this is not "pressed", Mime "Quoted Printable" will not be used no matter what.

Re: Elian Gonzalez

2000-04-22 Thread Petro
>Michelle, you idiot, what makes you think his father has any rights? His >father is a Cuban subject who has not requested asylum. Elian _has_ >requested asylum. Once joined with his father, do you think the Just Us >Dept. will lift a finger to prevent the father from returning to his >despica

Re: car hacker's lists?

2000-04-22 Thread Petro
>You just need a network of cypherpunks with radio scanners, direction >finders and GPSs, a way to recognize different cops by their radio >transmissions, and a way to communicate the cop location vector data >amongst the cypherpunk participants. Recipients need only do the >triangulation using

Re: Elian Gonzalez

2000-04-22 Thread Petro
Mr. May said: > >Seems to me a few dozen Cuban-Americans and more than a couple of >judges need to be dealt with. Break Southern Florida off and tow it 90 miles south. Nuking it would be too nice to the Facists that live there. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: **

Re: ! STOCKS CRUMBLE; AMERICA DIES

2000-05-13 Thread Petro
>> God will take away our money, and our health. He will destroy our >>families and >> our lifestyles. If you think I'm wrong, you've been living in a bubble, and >> that bubble is about to burst. Cancer is rising, and people who are evil >> enough to get it and get cured only get more and mo

Re: censorship of the unpopular

2000-05-21 Thread Petro
>John, > >The gist of my first post was : > >There's a lot of crap everywhere you look. What is "unpopular" or >different is not always of value in and of itself. Perhaps as a measure >of our civil liberties it is indirectly of some small value. No, it is of some value even if the *only*

RE: need some help

2000-05-23 Thread Petro
First, get some really bad actors, then a mediocre crew, and some no-name director. Attach a budget of $90 million, with $50 million of that slated for advertising. Release against something like MI:2 or a Disney release. Voila! Instant bomb. Battlefield Earth. -- A quote from Pe

RE: Trusting HavenCo [was: Sealand Rant] CPUNK

2000-06-11 Thread petro
>Lucky: > > >I agree with Peter in that Sealand may wish to consider adding a nuke to > >their budget of small arms. Nuclear powers are the only sovereigns that > >command any kind of respect from the other members in the club. > >Kick that N up to BC arms so the start-up budget is doable. The

Re: MS-Nationalization By Thomas J. DiLorenzo

2000-06-11 Thread petro
Mr May: > > >You also have no appreciation of the concept of "initiation of >force." The break up of Microsoft is initiation of force. Period. The ordered breakup of Microsoft is no more an "initiation of force" than any of the times microsoft filed dubious lawsuits against smaller comp

RE: Trusting HavenCo [was: Sealand Rant] CPUNK

2000-06-13 Thread petro
> >Simply fill one of the lower legs of the platfrom with > >mercury, and a little high explosives. Have a panic button in the ops > >center. The SAS lands, and 1000 gallons of pure mercury are blasted > >out into the channel. That wouldn't be nice. > >Plays heck with your mercury delay li

Re: Musings on the Economics of ZKS

2000-06-13 Thread petro
Mr May: >Will they sign up tens of millions? > >Myself, I'm wondering if they'll sign up a fraction of the 300,000 >they need at minimum. Ever, not just per year. "Freedom 1.1 is currently available for Windows 95 or 98 only." It's been what, a year now? No Unix/Linux/Solaris cl

RE: ZKS makes the WSJ (again)

2000-06-13 Thread petro
>I hate press releases more than most folks. A well-known >Cypherpunks-dominated company used to issue press releases in which >the press release would have commentary from the president, almost as >if a reporter was writing the story. You probably know this already, as I assume it was be

Re: Trusting HavenCo [was: Sealand Rant] CPUNK

2000-06-13 Thread petro
>petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> If the SAS are coming through the front door, you just went bankrupt. >> >> If England, France, Belgium etc. *new* that you would dump a >> massively toxic witches brew into their fishing waters, they might &g

Re: Cpunk Havenco's Weapon Choices

2000-06-14 Thread petro
Matt: >I just got around to reading the print article in the July 2000 issue >of Wired "Welcome to Sealand, Now Bugger Off" By Simson Garfinkel >(pages 230-239). Here is a quote: "The Sealanders are arming >themselves for self-defense: Plans call for "50-caliber heavy machine >guns, 5.56 automa

Re: Cpunk Havenco's Weapon Choices

2000-06-17 Thread petro
>At 01:33 6/16/2000 -0400, petro wrote: >> Depending on what you mean by "recognized", it has. There >>was a decision in British Courts that Sealand was outside the >>jurisdiction of the courts, and the Dutch sent a diplomat to >>discuss releasing s

Re: Life stages

2000-06-23 Thread petro
>At 10:04 AM 6/22/00 -0400, Sunder wrote: >>Yes, I do. Basically, I've reinstalled the OS, and switched everything >>around, and told them to go fuck themselves. Sure, they could have fired >>me, but that wouldn't have been my loss. >> >>Everyone else got the love virus and the joke virus, I jus

Re: "Microsoft crap" considered disingenuous

2000-06-23 Thread petro
>At 02:26 PM 6/22/00 -0400, Tim May wrote: > >>I could be smug and say that I didn't get it because I use Eudora Pro on a >>_Macintosh_, not that "Microsoft crap." >> >>However, "Microsoft crap" is the main target for virus distributors >>because it is so ubiquitous, and because this is what most

Re: "Microsoft crap" considered disingenuous

2000-06-23 Thread petro
Mr May: >So does the Mac, at least for non-server versions. So does OS/2, I'm sure. From what I remember, there is no difference between the server versions of MacOS (with the exception of MacOS X server, which isn't really MacOS) as far as security at the console is concerned. >The M

Re: "Microsoft crap" considered disingenuous

2000-06-24 Thread petro
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, petro wrote: > >> >The Mac OS allows "groups" and suchlike privileges to be set, mainly >> >for networking. But the basic machine, and programs on it, have all >> >> IIRC, the current file system doesn't even have the

[Testing to see if the list is alive--ignore]

2000-07-03 Thread petro
Ping? -- A quote from Petro's Archives: *** "Campaigns to bear-proof all garbage containers in wild areas have been difficult because, as one biologist put it, `There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence levels of the smartest bears and the

Re: stego for the censored

2000-10-07 Thread petro
>On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Tom Vogt wrote: > > >>I'm currently thinking of whether or not it is feasable to put stego >>data into EVERY .mp3 downloaded. just put random data into those not >>intended to carry a message. > >For the sake of us audiophiles, please don't. MP3 is tinny and flat >at best; it

Re: stego for the censored

2000-10-07 Thread petro
>At 10:52 AM 10/6/00 -0400, Ray Dillinger wrote: >>For the sake of us audiophiles, please don't. MP3 is tinny and flat >>at best; > >Then why are you 'audiophiles' traumatizing yourselves by listening >to it? > > it ticks me off that most folks seem to hear it as "good >>enough", because if most

Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-10 Thread petro
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: >> At 23:38 10/9/2000 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >> >I seem to remember Etzioni being tied into the Communitarian >> >movement as well. >> >> Right. In fact, that's an understatement. >> >> He's essentially the anti-cypherpunk: Regulate corporatio

Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-10 Thread petro
>At 1:22 PM -0400 10/10/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>I think communism has too many negative connotations to be used >>nowadays... So communitarian is a new word for the old philosophy. >>Kinda like progressive as a replacement for statist or whatnot. >> >>-Declan > >Why give them a term which,

Re: The killing of Bill Cooper and Liquid Metal Embrittlement

2001-11-15 Thread Petro
On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 10:39 AM, Tim May wrote: > > An LME solution smeared along wing or panel sections could cause > catastrophic failure during high stress flight phases, e.g., takeoffs > and, to a lesser extent, landings. We ran a few scenarios about how > easy it would be brin

Re: "Rigorous and objective" (if at first...)

2001-11-16 Thread Petro
On Friday, November 16, 2001, at 08:29 PM, Faustine wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Tim wrote: >> The list has only 5% of the content it had in its glory years, 1992-95. >> And perhaps only 10% of its content in its declining years, 1996-98. >> It's now at about half the

Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device

2001-11-16 Thread Petro
On Friday, November 16, 2001, at 09:08 PM, Steve Schear wrote: > At 11:20 PM 11/16/2001 -0500, you wrote: >> \Divide the U-235 into two five pound masses. Beat it evenly into the >> inside of one of your salad bowls. U-235 is malleable like gold so you >> should have no problem shaping it. Do

Re: Unsecured Wireless/802.11b/Passwords

2001-11-12 Thread Petro
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 07:01 PM, Tim May wrote: > The government agencies are filled with incompetents. Which many of us are thankful for.

Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Petro
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 08:35 PM, Anonymous wrote: > >How more noble can a man's life end, then to love his country, or > his cause, his family, his friends -- more than himself? More noble to die in bed of old age, children raised to be self-sufficient and independent, bill

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