The White House Communications Agency is also working
hard to secure presidential communications, with legacy
systems needing ever-increasing maintenance and upgrades,
the market continuing to outpace the big-ticket legacy
clunker equipment, too expensive to chuck outright, yet having
flaws begging
The US Army today announced the availability of licensing
of its patent for "Spread Spectrum Image Steganography:"
http://cryptome.org/usa-patent.htm(with copy of the patent)
Patent Abstract
The Spread Spectrum Image Steganography (SSIS)
of the present invention is a data hiding/secret co
The Bureau of Industry and Security today issued:
Export Administration Regulations: Encryption Clarifications and
Revisions
SUMMARY: This rule amends the Export Administration Regulations
(EAR) to clarify when encryption commodities and software may be
given de minimis treatment, when short-r
Hatch issued a press release yesterday softening his remarks
but not recanting. His statement at the hearing does indeed
raise the national security threat of P2P in which mil and gov
computers using P2P could be attacked by evildoers and grab
nation-threatening information, or damage the machines.
It is a fact that proffr/mattd is Declan. Confirming the practice
of cpunks confecting imaginary personas to vent their inner
evildoing then protesting the vile behavior, disclaiming any
contact with their perps. Then campaigning to have the shits
banned from an putative open liars forum.
That's w
WSJ today reports on the war between web privacy firms
and the feds:
http://cryptome.org/web-priv-war.htm
Lance Cottrell and other privacy protection firms are featured --
does Anonymizer really bring in up to a $1M a year?
Lance says he doesn't keep logs thus cannot respond to
subpoenas. Othe
The radiation sniffer in NYC and proposed for elsewhere
in the US is described in this DOE doc:
http://www.eml.doe.gov/factsheets/HS_Platform.pdf
Here's the aircraft monitoring program:
http://www.eml.doe.gov/factsheets/rampscan.pdf
There's more on a variety of homeland security monitoring
Perhaps a suicide but if so it was induced by Kelly's treatment,
not only by the goofus members of parliament, but more likely
by the Ministry of Defence threatening to punish him for violation
of the draconian Official Secrets Act.
The Brits for all their admirable humor about vulgarity -- the ne
The rights of property owners, especially commercial property,
are not as absolute as sometimes argued. Due to the public
services provided by governmental authorities, tax perqs not
the least, property owners are required to abide a diverse range
of laws and regulations to provide assurance that p
Oh, like Uday and Qusay, you can't kill this immortal fucker,
nobody got the guts to plow a TOW in it. Instead, thousands of
gutless have hari-kiried by exiting the battle for well.com
nutlick where the dead live in perfect, silent synchrony, so that
is a no-brain, no-work option. Sit still, chi
The infallible archives show that the top users here of "fuck off"
are ... well, not to provoke additional applications of the highly
acceptable use term, check the archives yourself. Reese is no
where near the top user, except at sea.
This is not to suggest that heavy users of the term have no
Robert Windrem, national security correspondent for NBC,
reported on July 12 about Jeffrey Richelson's new book,
"The Wizards of Langley," on the CIA's deceptive technologies:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/599637.asp
Blurb: "Intelligence historian Jeffrey Richelson's
latest book focuses on four de
Mirror of the ElcomSoft AEBPR trial version:
http://cryptome.org/aebpr/aebpr22.zip (746KB)
For cryptographic scientific research allowed under the
DMCA here is a key from Anonymous to boost the trial
version to its 100% capability (though not verified):
LEPR-T2K7-NA8Z-3DUE-EVDQS-TMPV-MB
Why bust Dmitry and not the head of ElcomSoft if the
primary crime is commercial gain? That he is claimed
to be the copyright holder is thin stuff, for that does not
support his being the main commercial beneficiary (unless
the FBI has evidence that was not revealed about Elcomsoft's
internal fi
Declan:
>Your guess is as good as mine, and I'll defer to the criminal lawyers here,
>if there are any. My suspicion: In truly "criminal" enterprises, I suspect
>they'd go after the officers of the corporation. But in practice
>"trafficking" is a broad prohibition, and the Feds will arrest any
Declan:
>The problem with this analysis is that he does not have to be the
>main commercial beneficiary for the charges to stick.
But, to repeat, why the worker and not his bosses? Is this a way
for Adobe/FBI/DoJ to signal the interest of its own bosses?
And why are the protests limited to Adob
>From a press release today:
---
Adobe Systems Incorporated and the Electronic Frontier
Foundation today jointly recommend the release of Russian
programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody.
Adobe is also withdrawing its support for the criminal
complaint against Dmitry Sklyarov.
"We str
In follow-up to Adobe's claim in the press release that
AEBPR is no longer available in the US we would
appreciate pointers to sources for the program in the
US or elsewhere (other than Elcomsoft's offerings
of the trial versions). Full capability versions preferred
but pointers to sources of
Black Unicorn wrote:
>If I were a duly appointed law enforcement official I could arrest you for
the
>kind of shoes you were wearing. You'll have recourse eventually, but it will
>be after a 24 hour (or so) stay in the pokey and posting bail and hiring an
>attorney, and
Yes, yes, and the cl
The time for confidences is over. Lawyers are considering
a change in their ethics about ratting on clients (see NY Times
today); priests are ratting about criminal confessions; reporters
are ratting on interviewees, psychiatrists are ratting patients.
DoJ and the courts are squeezing all the priv
Hans Mark, a septugenarian DoD official in a seminar at Harvard
on "Intelligence, Command and Control," in Spring 2000 said:
"It is as bad to have too much information as it is not to have any.
Both contribute to Clausewitzs fog of war. It is not good to have a
completely transparent co
Jim,
Some of the titles of URLs you offer appear interesting. Could you
include a paragraph or two for each? Say, at least as much text
as the skull clutter of your headers and sig.
Don't overlook what is reportedly happening on the back side of
the moon. The URL for an IF-mooncam was posted here a while
ago. The stream is encrypted but with weak crypto -- the
crypto-processor is 1968-9 vintage. The cam is part of a data
package placed on the dark side in a classified opera
Cryptome has obtained 60 pages of public records filed in
USA v. Dmitry Sklyarov: five pages of Court documents and
55 pages of submissions in support of Dmitry's character and
achievements. They are offered in compressed TIFF format:
Court Documents:
Order Setting Conditions of Release and A
Note that it was the United States Attorney's office which
first published the criminal complaint on July 17 while the case
records remained sealed until August 6, 2001. The judge's
Minute Order of August 6 stated: "Complaint is ordered unsealed,"
three weeks after the USA deployed the complaint
On the likelihood of undercover IRS agents being long
active on cypherpunks, and/or the use of Jim Bell as
a lure for entrapment:
Can anyone with experience in law and/or law enforcement
comment on what other law enforcement agencies are
permitted to do what the IRS agents can, as noted here
yes
Anonymous forwarded a video (with sound) of a cell phone gun,
showing it being assembled and fired four times:
http://cryptome.org/handy-gun.htm
This device was described here some time ago, I believe,
and while the forwarded post appeared to come from a
USAF officer on Milnet, I wonder if th
Thanks to Interesting People and Matthew Gaylor here is the
ABC News report of December 6, 2000, on the cell phone gun:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/phone001205.html
Somewhere it has been written that it is high chickenshit to
post a claim that it will be "my last in the thread" rather than
just not shit that last pile and then walk away a little distance
to spy who comes to sniff and shit on yours thus requiring
yet one more dollop of numero uno grafitti, u
The name of the prosecuting attorney is on the plea bargain
sent to Brian, copy below.
I agree that this kind of once-okay data-mining and publishing
will now get you Bell-jarred, CJ-jugged.
---
Full listing of Brian West case files:
http://www.bkw.org/pdf/
From: http://www.bkw.org/pdf/us
Sperling is the office boss, not the case prosecutor,
who is AUSA Gallant. A report claims that a person with
the last name Gallant is the sysadmin at Brian's
competitor - who operated the Okie Rag's Web site
Good Cyber-Citizen Brian reported to be holey and
got cyber-criminalized forthwith.
Whe
>JYA may be obscure but you're just loony.
And I'm warning you it's the minerals in Texas water,
we can't help ourselves from being apes of Lyndon
Johnson, Billy Sol Estes, Steve Jackson, Judge Roy
Bean, Ike Eisenhower, George Shrub, Janis Joplin,
Governors Ma Ferguson and Pappy Lee O'Daniel,
the
Eugene,
I'd appreciate your not addressing mail to me concerning
Jim Bell, though that may be due to the way your mailer
is set up to respond to cpunk mail.
I got subpoenaed to the grand jury and trial because
Jim Bell's responses to my messages to cpunks were
addressed to me and cc'ed to cpunks
See 9-page judgment in TIF format:
http://cryptome.org/jdb-hit.tif (262KB)
In addition to 10 years Jim was also fined $10,000 due
immediately and faces three years of probation. No
computer use and a long list of other prohibitions
including "no direct or indirect contact with the
victim
Judgment converted to PDF:
http://cryptome.org/jdb-hit.pdf (404KB)
I've been typing in the cpunks address in reply for months,
and don't mind, after reading about a host of problems
associated with automatic replies and cc's and hidden
header information that doesn't show up kiddie-script
mailers.
And nothing I've written about avoiding private contact
with Jim
We'll have up this weekend a 180-page report by the Defense
Science Board on "Protecting the Homeland -- Defensive
Information Operations," a study conducted in the summer of
2000, published in March 2001, which describes in detail
multi-billion dollar proposals for combating threats to the
US b
Declan, you are still tarring me with messages addressed to
me and cc'ed to cpunks. So I state: I want no direct e-mail
to me about cybercriminals convicted or likely to be that.
Anybody does that after I ask them not to I will consider
working with the authorities, wittingly or unwittingly.
Le
Here's the 14-page court docket for Jim Bell's case through
August 25, 2001:
http://cryptome.org/jdb082501.htm
This lists several of Jim's appeals, the last on August 14.
For a flavor of what's been going on to deny Jim his rights
here's a footnote to a "Sentencing Memorandum" of August
9 b
We've put up some 80 court filings in the Bell case,
hyperlinked to the August 25 docket cited here yesterday:
http://cryptome.org/jdb082501.htm
Recall that Judge Tanner sealed all the public
files that were available when he learned one of
the filings provided names of the jury pool and name
Aimee Farr could be a nice lady lawyer who just appeared
here by serendip or a ... MS shiteater operating under the
entrapment rules of IRS investigation manual.
Speaking what my nose tells me about Aimee's taunts
and ear licks here, and after smelling the shit spread in
Tanner's courtroom, sh
DF wrote:
>They need an overt act. Mere chat won't be enough.
True, to a point. What constitutes an act appears to be
going through a dramatic redefinition in cybercrime and
allegedly terrorist-related actions.
An overt act is not the same for everyone; authorities
commit acts (crimes) that th
Day 2:
http://cryptome.org/jdb040901-2.htm
Completion of direct questioning by Robert Leen,
Jim's many-times-fired attorney, and cross-examination
by Robb London.
Two cpunks are mentioned by Jim by name, with glowingly
admirable death kisses.
But he also kisses Leen (says Leen threatened t
Ken Brown bragged:
>OTOH I know people who have sampled the air in underground stations for
>spores and bacteria so on. There are a lot of odd organisms down there
>:-)
A skivvied MoD scientist from Portland Downs raced past me ogling
Buckingham in my red plaid tam and matching sweater, whisp
Lawrence Sloan writes in the Duke Law Journal
http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?50+Duke+L.+J.+1467
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"The various allegations surrounding ECHELON can be
roughly grouped into two categories. The first set of
allegations, coming primarily from Europe, concerns
the use of the ECHELON
Choate wrote:
>crypto-anarcy <> anarcho-socialism <> crypto-capitalism
That's part but not all. Anarchy is not an absolute, only
an opposition to the prevailing archy whether capitalist,
socialist, capitalistic-socialism, socialistic-capitalism,
and their mealy-mouthed democratic-communistic-
ol
On ZKS selling anonymizing products that are publicly available
to governmental officials does raise an issue of whether officials
should, or should be able to, conceal their official identities when
working cyberspace in an official capacity. I think not, though
it might be as impossible to get
I try to abide the principle that if one gets anonymized
all should. However, there is a disparity in who gets
to leverage that anonymity -- from the citizen to the
empowered official.
We have now more privilege of conealment on the official
side, and that needs redress, constant redress a rebel
Sorry, I'm not proposing a law, certainly not on this list.
Rather a voluntary concordance for reputation building,
not only in citizen-world but in government-world.
There has been a lot of good discussion about this
here in the past and I'm not going against that wisdom.
Greg is tracking that
Declan, you condescending prig, I did read your message and
was trying to askance your clubfingeredness about "possession,"
which isn't as monolithic as you vaunt and which smacked
overmuch of LEAs' agressive erasure of distinctions.
Hector me not, for the failure to look behind heavy-handed
l
Let me jump in to say that I'm not advocating no access
to anonymizers by officials only that that access be disclosed.
It shouldn't be an embarrassment to reveal that federal agencies
have bought such products.
Disclosure as well of any features of the products sold to
officials that are differ
WSJ had a hilarious report yesterday about the frantic
search for prisoners to fill empty prison beds that have
resulted from frantic construction to meet court orders
and mandatory sentencing now offset by declining crime
rates -- or sentencing rates -- and governments kicking
prisoners out of
Wouldn't it be provocative to imagine that HMG and USG
were exchanging monitoring of high courts under a "you
watch mine, I'll watch yours" UKUSA pact.
For example, this DNS entry:
Host, master (HM-ORG-ARIN) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nortel Plc F.A.O. Andrew MacphersonLondon
The Germans report that Ata and others planned the
attacks while at an electrical engineering school in
Germany and so far no connection to bin Laden has
been found.
That a small, smart, talented group could conceive and
carry out the attacks may be inconceivable to those who
believe in massive,
The NY Times has a brief story today about the arrest of
five guys in Jersey busted for celebrating the takedown
of WTC. They are identified as Israelis, and "exportable."
Blocks and limitations on downloads have been removed
on Cryptome and JYA. We ask that bots and spiders be
configured and monitored to avoid repetitiveness, looping,
recycling and checking for previous downloads. Bandwidth
trashing programs will be seen as attacks and blocked to
assure access b
might grab more for inclusion unless others are
doing that. To comply with law we'd have to notify BXA of any
new offerings.
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John Young PK:
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Eugene,
Perhaps as a result of my lifting blocks at your request
Cryptome is nearly shutdown by people sucking contents
for mirroring. My intention was to encourage mirroring not
of Cryptome but of important crypto tools listed at:
http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm
Most of Cryptome is non-esse
Yes, Sandy, how do you do that? Sincerely, I'm not being
a wiseass. Some building types have disappeared over
time due to understanding that they don't work any more.
Glorious buildings that once were once seen as absolutely the
best ever. Forts, for example. Gothic cathedrals that failed
after e
Sandy, not to disagree with you, but
>Ants do not build cloud piercing towers of adamantine steel and glass, the
>mind of man does. YMMV.
this describes stolen jumbo-sized Stingers, dual-use at its best.
No joke, the mind of man is a hyde and jekyl, at home and overseas.
What I like about thi
Visions of mega, ultra, unbelievable high rise towers are a stock
off the shelf stuff for architects and tall building engineers. Clients
and designers with delusions of grandeur, or need for PR to help
fend off debtors and unwanted bastards, dream up these fantasies
all the time. A crony and I wo
But isn't obligatory for all world class cpunks to have
several nyms they post under, and to bad mouth
and obsequy those fictions with exactly the same
identifiable writing style, shifting one register to the
left then to the right? I have here a list of names
and perfectly intercoggal nyms.
The
Ashcroft's anti-terrorism bill proposes allowing IRS data
to be shared with law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
As if that would be a new.
The bill would also lift the stay of US attorneys taking
part in illegal undercover work. As if that was new.
Bush has asked citizens to inform on th
The worm hit Cryptome at 8:43 AM EST and is now sucking
at a rate of about 90% of the load. As others have noted,
the bulk of the hits appear to be coming from our own
ISP, either by design or by spoofing the origin. Our server
is on Apache but the worm generates endless errors
attempting to find
Bill Gertz has received an extraordinary number of leaked
documents. Most of those occurred during the Clinton era
when national security mongerers opposed to Clinton's
policies leaked top secret stuff. Those kinds of leaks seemed
to have diminished now that those anti-Dems are in
power again. Th
David Honig wrote optimistically:
>Zero unemployment, rents drop in cities, and smooth
>skin becomes even more desirable.
Not if New York City leaders get their way: high rents,
pestilence, repulsive jobs, diseased bodies, will continue
as intended for the Apple like other great cities of the
Peter Wayner wrote:
>But please come to listen to hear about their company not about the
>WTC.
But when do we hear about the really important stuff the company
employees learned from 80 feet away, to hell with hearing more
online trivia of phonexing the ashes. Not that the lucky CEO knows
an
At the moment it appears that Verio's DNS server failed to
register cryptome.org as a valid domain name, whereas
jya.com was. We've placed an order to correct that.
We had ordered that the two domains be put on two different
boxes, geographically distant, to avoid both sites going
down if one was
Today I managed to walk around the stupefying WTC
disaster site for half an hour, doing what a serious
professional would be doing: taking dozens of careful
photographs of the ruins.
Then an NYC cop asked to see my authorization to
be photographing a crime scene. I said nobody told me
not to.
We're now tranferring the 72 WTC photos to Cryptome at
full resolution, each about 1 MB. Due to the size we would
appreciate a few mirrors being set up before we announce
to ease the load on our new finicky server.
If anyone can handle a collection of about 76MB, send me
a message and I will prov
Agreed that reduced-size images are desirable. One or more of
the mirrors are offering those, Parrhesia for example. We elected
to initially offer the full size to not limit what can be offered by others
and to feed those with terabyte maws.
When image downloads jam shut Cryptome, which seems li
Yes, Incognito is correct. But what you need for experiencing
the real thing is this little bag of rainbows which Guiliani and
Pataki and Bush hand out to special visitors. I grabbed a bunch
of these grandiloquenizers from Red Cross which freely
dispenses them to the cadaver bits mongerers.
The
There have been a half dozen folks who said today they could
not access Cryptome, but it's accessible from here. And there
are only a half dozen blocks of rampaging bots.
However, we are in the process of switching the archives
to new machines and IP address changes are in the works
-- completion
There are numerous changes in PATRIOT from MATA and ATA,
and it has over twice their length. It still uses the same
obfuscation style of burying dozens of proposals as modifications
of existing legislation, making it hard to understand what is
being proposed without jigsaw puzzling the pieces into
Declan unimpressively underwrote:
>Oh, you're being too generous in Fedpraise. Only one cypherpunk
>subscriber that I know of is currently in gaol, that's Jim Bell of
>course, and this list was just one of many fora he frequented. CJ now
>appears to be on the loose again, showering us with his, u
The NY Times reports today on an encryption product
which has a biometric password set by typing rhythm -- speed,
key-hit impact, pattern, maybe a few more. Developed by Net
Nanny, the producer claims no two people type exactly the
same way. Its called BioPassword. The product is to be used
by Mu
Has NIST provided other information on the Hitachi patent
and the USG's evaluation of it other than Jim Foti's
inscrutible comments on the discussion forum and
similar inscrutibity in the R2 report?
If this is all there is, it stinks of rancid red herring being
called this year's never-you-mind
Vin wrote:
> It will be interesting to see how explicit it is, and what sort of
>demand for an overt stamp of approval from the NSA still exists in the
>marketplace.
NIST has stated that the maximum endorsement will be to use
AES for non-classified government information. So the questi
SA Renner did most of the talking and carried a
manila folder with a file name on it beginning with
"SP," I think. Couldn't see the remainder. He didn't
open it during the session and it may have been
a prop.
They showed up without warning, no call ahead, got
past our Doberman doorman (we're on
My comment about the SAs having no noticeable body odor
came out the notion that persons on a dangerous mission
emit an easily identifiable smell, a smell not unlike that
emitted by an unwary target when suddently confronted with
danger.
Innocents need not worry about these unintentional fear
ema
We've made a few FOIA requests, but none have produced a
flood of paper like that made to the US Army INSCOM for a list
of military intelligence files provided by anonymous, most dating
from the 1940s and 1950s but some up to the 70s and 80s.
An aspect of the response has been INSCOM forwarding o
When I got censored by [EMAIL PROTECTED] a couple
of weeks ago I tried to subscribe to these nodes:
Algebra
Infonex
Lne
Minder
Sunder
Pro-ns
Openpgp
Ccc
Subscription was successful only on:
Algebra
Pro-ns
Both of thse provided a "who" response on 11/10/03 of
Algebra 122
Pro-ns 14
I get the sa
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
>I find it strange that some people here so often wants to
>intimidate those that dares to ask some questions.
>Eric put it very well in his post about dicksizewar. Very
>true indeed.
>
>I find it very *l*a*m*e* to all the time tell people to RTFM
>when something comes up t
It was discovered a while back, check the archives, or Tim's
FAQ, that all the remailers were compromised, with or without
the operator's complicity with TLAs. After that discovery there
was a turning of the covert control to re-direct it toward its
implementer(s). That was soon re-turned by the T
There's a good possibility that Saddam was traced by Tempest
sensing, airborne or mundane. The technology is far more sensitive
than a decade ago. And with a lot of snooping technology kept obscure
by tales of HUMINT, finks, lost laptops and black bag jobs.
For less sensitive compromising emanati
This came in response to Cryptome's posting of Len Sassman's
comments on remailers.
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Thank you for posting the "Comprom
What's pleasurable about reading the fiction of ideologues like
Tim is the smack-down tone of their prejudices. Fake, fake,
fake.
Nowhere in Tim's spew is the recognition that the largest
beneficiaries of government favoritism are corporations and
wealthy individuals like himself, especially those
>On 31 Dec 2003 at 12:45, Tim May wrote:
>> People like Tyler Durden, James Donald, and John Young are
>> using the tired old cliches about how it is "society that
>> paid for business" and hence "society" has some right to take
>> a cut of each trans
Tim has become so proprietary about cypherpunks it's strange
that he's never operated a node himself, or underwritten all of
them in the generous spirit of John Gilmore. Maybe Tim has
been underwriting them quietly and that accounts for his
obnoxious bitching when the discourse doesn't go the way
According to the Reuters account below, it was Robertson, not
Mowbray, who called for the State Department nuking.
A Virginia citizen who would be nuked if State is, has reported
Robertson to the FBI TIPS, observing that a Muslim cleric who
made such a comment would surely be arrested or detaine
We received the note below about spyware allegedly created for
a Maryland agency with code which needs to be tested.
We'd appreciate feedback on the note and the code. Beware
of a sting. The code:
http://cryptome.org/ExpCode.ASM
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The note:
CPR Tools Inc. of Labelle, Florida is engaged in
Information, speculation or leads on the Iranian cryptosystem
allegedly cracked or black-jobbed by the US are welcomed for
publication on Cryptome.org.
Reported today in the NY Times and elsewhere. The Times
claims it was asked by the USG to withhold information about
the crack (allegedly revea
Julian Assange affianted:
>It's wise understand someone's agenda based on their past actions
>and attempts at influence and not the affability of their face.
When I first got within 20 trace aromas of the lushness of Baker's
double cultivated what-grows-wild-elsewhere above his peepers,
my bub
Dr. Evil wrote:
>There is no counter-countermeasure necessary. The goal of the
>terrorists isn't to take down America by killing Americans. The goal
>of anthrax is to spread hysteria and terror, and it is doing that with
>great efficacy.
The Wall Street Journal of October 18 quoted portions of
Paul Krugman, Economic Columnist, New York Times, 24 October 2001:
At worst, war bonds will offer a lower return than ordinary bonds.
And if some people buy them nonetheless, what will they finance?
Here's where that tax bill enters the picture. The remarkable thing
about the 'stimulus' packag
Frog wrote:
>Not a plausible claim, to anyone who recalls the situation at the
>top of the WTC on those days. The incredible heat and smoke from
>an entire jetliner full of fuel a hundred feet below would make
>helicopter operations impossible. Trying to land on the roof under
>those circumstan
Come on Onin, watch the numbers skyrocket after
Bush signs off on Ashcroft's wet dream. The US
has the most bloated "justice" industry in the world,
far bigger than any in history, and the spate of bills
appearing will fatten these pigs beyond anything
seen in the commie and fascist regimes. We ar
Hillary was in good company: Richard Gere got booed for
suggesting tolerance not vengeance, and the NYC Fire
Commissioner got booed the loudest by firemen for being
a publicity whore and Guiliani flunkey who has been trying
for years to cut back on firefighting services under Rudy's
orders. The F
Wait, Sandy, John Edward does sci-fi comedy. Like Penn and
Teller catching bullets with teeth, David Caine levitating.
Dr. Spin on Fox, Dr. Germ in Iraq.
It's reality TV, like Dan and Tom and The Intelligent One.
Fukrisakes all is Sci Fi. Call them and bitch, or send funny
mail. Join in the tom
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