At 11:45 AM 7/17/2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Pondering construction of a secure telephone. (Or at least a cellphone in
general. The user interfaces and features available on virtually all the
mass-market phones suck, to put it very very mildly, not even mentioning
If you're trying to build a usab
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Bill Stewart wrote:
> If you're trying to build a usable cellphone,
> you've got much more stringent design criteria than a deskphone.
I am painfully aware of it.
> You've got packaging requirements that force you into
> serious industrial design if you want something pocke
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Steve Schear wrote:
> How about building a secure cell phone using GnuRadio as a core? That way you
> have maximum control afforded by the protocols.
Several reasons valid at this moment (though I suppose (and hope) the
situation will improve in next couple years).
There i
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On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 02:06:40PM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
> On the other hand, 100,000 employees times two disk drives per desktop
> and a few departmental servers can get you that much capacity.
I understand there is this thing called a black budget. The production
rate limit of plain text
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> For those of you who have worked at major ISPs, can the fact that traffic is
> routed through a few "customer" boxes be hidden from employees?
Speaking as someone who qualifies: no. However, the fact that you even
asked the question begs another questio
On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 05:55:02AM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> Now, *mirroring* to a couple of choke points, sure, but then you ave
> transit and other associated costs (you gotta haul the data to all of the
> collectors).
I was thinking about a box at each incoming/outgoing point with a NIC i
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> I was thinking about a box at each incoming/outgoing point with a NIC in
> passive mode.
A NIC? You gotta realize that we're talking about mesh circuits here:
OC3-OC48 trunks, OC192 backbones... This is no small job. A mom/pop or
midsized regional mayb
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 06:13:49AM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> A NIC? You gotta realize that we're talking about mesh circuits here:
> OC3-OC48 trunks, OC192 backbones... This is no small job. A mom/pop or
At times of 10 GBit Ethernet, OC192 data rate doesn't seem all that
intimidating.
A
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 06:13:49AM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
>
> > A NIC? You gotta realize that we're talking about mesh circuits here:
> > OC3-OC48 trunks, OC192 backbones... This is no small job. A mom/pop or
>
> At times of 10 GBit Ethernet, OC19
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 07:50:16AM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> I have seen a passive tap on a gig line used for IDS, true, but that's
> pretty close to the state of the art right now. There's an issue with
There are dedicated network processors, though, and one can outsorce the
filter bottlen
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"At times of 10 GBit Ethernet, OC192 data rate doesn't seem all that
intimidating."
Well, as it turns out the 10GbE standard has a few flavors, and one of them
uses a 'lite' version of OC-192 framing. So for all intents and purposes,
consider them the same data rate.
-TD
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Ah yes. Are you referring to the smoke that powers telecom gear? (ie, the
gear works until you see smoke pouring out of the top.) I had imagined this
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-TD
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"I think it would be far easier if WAN protocols were plain GBit Ethernet."
WAN won't be 1GbE, but it will probably be 10GbE with SONET framing, or else
OC-192c POS (ie, PPP-encapsulated HDLC-framed MPLS). In either case, I
suspect it will be far cheaper in the long run to monitor a big fat pipe
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
> "I think it would be far easier if WAN protocols were plain GBit Ethernet."
>
> WAN won't be 1GbE, but it will probably be 10GbE with SONET framing, or else
> OC-192c POS (ie, PPP-encapsulated HDLC-framed MPLS). In either case, I
> suspect it will be far
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Thomas Shaddack wrote:
The easiest way is probably a hybrid of telephone/modem, doing normal
calls in "analog" voice mode and secure calls in digital modem-to-modem
connection. The digital layer may be done best over IP protocol, assigning
IP addresses to the phones and making them talk over TCP
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 07:31:59PM +0100, Dave Howe wrote:
> OpenVPN is of course built on SSL, and can use either X509 certificates
> or a preshared key for authentication. Sadly, there is no convenient way
> to use DNS-SEC key records for OpenVPN.
How well is VoIP going to work over SSL/TLS (
Jack Lloyd wrote:
How well is VoIP going to work over SSL/TLS (ie, TCP) though?
you can do SSL over UDP if you like - I think most VPN software is UDP
only, while OpenVPN has a "fallback" TCP mode for cases where you can't
use UDP (and TBH there aren't many)
> I've never used
any VoIP-over-TCP
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 08:53:35PM +0100, Dave Howe wrote:
> >That may have just been an artifact of a bad implementation, though. DTLS
> >might be a better pick for securing VoIP. There's also SRTP.
>
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
> JA, ya' gotta good point here. Or at least, this sheds a lot of doubt on
> things.
>
> But then again, the purpose of GIG-BE may be precisely to move an optical
> copy (use a $100 splitter) back to processing centers where the traffic is
> stored. In thi
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