Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:55 PM 12/7/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: The Libertarian Party started at about this time, in 1972, and nearly all of the volunteers, spear carriers, etc. were in their 20s. This is very well known. (And today most of the LP volunteers and spear carriers are in their 40s and 50s. A correlati

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:26 PM 12/7/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: >But even if crypto got trendy again, I just don't see the young >students of today flocking to our particular mailing list. Too many >other choices. Probably they'll read someone's daily blog A few observations. Nowadays, colleges offer courses in cr

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hi, I just a pick a book and learn and if i am in doubt, ofcourse i do have a lot of stupid ones. but thats how i learn. I have friends who will help me with my queries. I prefer not getting flamed like every one else and that too in quick succesion :-). so my guess is that as far as newbies are

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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 16:11, J.A. Terranson wrote: > On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote: > > > I have several theories/conjectures about what is happening to mailing > > lists. > > > > First, a lot of the younger folks--who used to be some of the fresh > > blood for lists like ours--are not users of

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Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-08 Thread Harmon Seaver
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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Douglas F. Calvert
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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Brian Minder
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 10:37:04PM -0500, John Young wrote: > When I got censored by [EMAIL PROTECTED] a couple > of weeks ago I tried to subscribe to these nodes: > > Algebra > Infonex > Lne > Minder > Sunder > Pro-ns > Openpgp > Ccc > > Subscription was successful only on: > > Algebra > Pro-ns

Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-08 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:22 AM 12/8/03 -0800, Eric Murray wrote: >Other people have made the point that mailing lists are "old tech" >and I agree. I don't like the new replacements (blogs, web boards) >as much as lists, but perhaps that's because of what I used first. Its not just "the First is the Only Way" pheno

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: "Brian C. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Clay Shirky has some good thoughts on this in his essay 'The Group Is > Its Own Worst Enemy', found at > http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html "So we're back, and we're taking wizardly fiat back, and we're going to do things to run the system. We

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Re: cypherpunks discussions

2003-12-08 Thread Eric Murray
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 12:21:21AM -0800, Sarad AV wrote: > I prefer not getting flamed like every one else and that > too in quick succesion :-). so my guess is that as far > as newbies are concerned all the discussions are taken > private. This is why the cpunks list has very little new subscri

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2003-12-08 Thread Douglas F. Calvert
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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

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2003-12-08 Thread Eric Murray
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 08:31:07AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > The advantage of eg Yahoo groups (and presumably blogs) > is their moderation; the lack thereof enabled spammers to > bulldoze the commons of usenet. Inevitable. I've been hearing about blog-spamming lately, and I've seen

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2003-12-08 Thread Tim May
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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Tim May
On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/8/2003 2:46:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, you are free to be "Matt Gaylor, Activist!" and to try to get articles published in "Liberty" or "Gold Currency Times" or wherever you get published, b

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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- Tim May: > >> And, as many have noted, very few of the "kids" today are > >> libertarians (either small L or large L). James A. Donald: > > When you were a teenager, everyone thought that Ho Chi Minh > > was the greatest, had a picture of Che Guevera on their > > wall, and thought the So

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 7 Dec 2003 at 21:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > many here likely would not be happy if I called myself > libertarian, because I feel that corporations are titanic > forces unfriendly to the vast majority of human beings and > unworthy of human liberty. Everyone agrees that big corporatio

Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers

2003-12-08 Thread James A. Donald
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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 01:45:43PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > You need to read my long, long essay in "True Names," then. This is > more widely available than anything I would waste my time doing for > "Body Peircing" or "Skate," even if I wanted to. > > As for writing for "Reason," they haven't as

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-08 Thread Declan McCullagh
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