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Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers

2003-06-10 Thread Nomen Nescio
Adam Lydick writes: > I'd guess that no applications (besides the secure nexus) would > have access to your "list of doggie names", just the ability to display > it. The list just indicates that you are seeing a window from one of > your partitioned and verified applications. I would also assume t

Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers

2003-06-10 Thread Morlock Elloi
> The solution to this is Palladium (NGSCB). > > You'd want each ecommerce site to download a Nexus Computing Agent into > the client. This should be no more difficult than downloading an Active-X > control or some other DLL. The NCA has a manifest file associated with it No shit? This is moron

Re: Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers

2003-06-10 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: CDR: Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers > In short, if Palladium comes with the ability to download site-specific > DLLs that can act as NCAs Ok what flavor of crack are you smoking? Because I can tell f

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Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers

2003-06-10 Thread Anonymous
The problem to be solved is this. Spoofed sites can acquire user credentials, especially passwords, and then use those to impersonate the user on the real sites. With paypal and e-gold, this allows stealing real money. Using client certificates to authenticate would solve this, because even if t

Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers

2003-06-10 Thread Peter Gutmann
Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I don't see how this is going to work. The concept seems to assume that >there is a distinction between "trusted" and "untrusted" programs. But in the >NGSCB architecture, Nexus Computing Agents (NCAs) can be written by anyone. >If you've loaded a Trojan

Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers

2003-06-10 Thread Rich Salz
> For example, a proposal I saw recently which > would have the OS decorate the borders of "trusted" windows with facts or > images that an attacker wouldn't be able to predict: the name of your > dog, or whatever. But if the system is rooted, then the attacker merely has to find the "today's secr

virus attack on banks (was attack on paypal)

2003-06-10 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
At 06:12 PM 6/8/2003 -0600, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >at a recent cybersecurity conference, somebody made the statement that (of >the current outsider, internet exploits, approximately 1/3rd are buffer >overflows, 1/3rd are network traffic containing virus that infects a >machine because of au

Re: An attack on paypal --> secure UI for browsers

2003-06-10 Thread Sunder
Yes, >NOW< if you can load yourself into kernel space, you can do anything and everything - Thou Art God to quote Heinlein. This is true of every OS. Except if you add that nice little TCPA bugger which can verify the kernel image you're running is the right and approved one. Q.E.D. Look at the

Re: An attack on paypal

2003-06-10 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 8 Jun 2003 at 20:00, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > that is why we coined the term merchant "comfort" > certificates some time ago. my wife and I having done early > work for payment gateway with small client/server startup in > menlo park ... that had this thing called SSL/HTTPS ... and >

Re: An attack on paypal

2003-06-10 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 9 Jun 2003 at 2:09, Dave Howe wrote: > The problem is here, we are blaming the protective device for > not being able to protect against the deliberate use of an > attack that bypasses, not challenges it - by exploiting the > gullibility or tendency to take the path of least resistance >

Re: An attack on paypal

2003-06-10 Thread Bill Frantz
At 5:12 PM -0700 6/8/03, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >somebody (else) commented (in the thread) that anybody that currently >(still) writes code resulting in buffer overflow exploit maybe should be >thrown in jail. A nice essay, partially on the need to include technological protections against hum