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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread David Howe
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread David Howe
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

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RE: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Wall, Kevin
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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Jeremey Barrett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Krumviede wrote: | --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann | | maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A | convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to | have invented HDCD). while the CD

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Sampo Syreeni
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread James A. Donald
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:52 AM 9/30/02 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: >-- >What email encryption is actually in use? PGP 5-7 on Win95+, using Eudora 3.05 talks to Mac whatever using 2.6.2 Signing is not generally necessary. >The chief barrier to use of outlook's email encryption Outlook is one of Microsoft's

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread James A. Donald
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Re: Real-world steganography

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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:38 PM 09/30/2002 -0700, Bram Cohen wrote: Peter Gutmann wrote: > I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra > data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the > equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features