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>
> It's amazing the TCPA isn't raising all kinds of red flags at
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
> From: Paul Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
> I would think a TCP _with_ ownership of the TPM would be every paranoid
> cypherpunk's wet dream. A box which would tell you if it had been tampered
> with either in hardware or so
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I, for one, can vouch for the fact that TCPA could absolutely
be applied to a DRM application. In a previous life I actually
designed a DRM system (the company has since gone under). In
our research and development in '96-98, we decided that you need
at least some trusted hardware at the client
> It's an interesting claim, but there is only one small problem.
> Neither Ross Anderson nor Lucky Green offers any evidence that the TCPA
> (http://www.trustedcomputing.org) is being designed for the support of
> digital rights management (DRM) applications.
Microsoft admits it:
http://www.msn
It seems clear at least if DRM is an application than DRM applications would benefit
from the "increased trust" and architecturally that such "trust" would be needed to
enforce/ensure some/all of the requirements of the Hollings bill.
hawk
Lucky Green wrote:
> other
> technical solution th
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 08:15:29AM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> Status: U
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:53:42 -0700
> From: Paul Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Ross's TCPA paper
> To: "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The
> important question is not whether trusted platforms ar
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On Monday, June 24, 2002, at 01:47 AM, Lucky Green wrote:
>
> [Tim: do you recall when we had the discussion about the upcoming
> "encrypted op code chips" at a Cypherpunks meeting in a Stanford lecture
> hall? Was that 1995 or 1996? It cannot have been later; I know that I
> was still working fo
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Ross Anderson wrote:
> ... that means making sure the PC is the hub of the
> future home network; and if entertainment's the killer app, and DRM is
> the key technology for entertainment, then the PC must do DRM.
Recently there have been a number of articles pointing out how much
money Microsoft
...More fun and games from the "We're Monkeys, we'll *go*!!!" school of
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:-).
Cheers,
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:58:45 +0530
To: Robert Hettinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Book Revie
The amazing thing about this discussion is that there are two pieces
of conventional wisdom which people in the cypherpunk/EFF/"freedom"
communities adhere to, and they are completely contradictory.
The first is that protection of copyright is ultimately impossible.
See the analysis in Schneier a
For those who question the use of the TCPA spec as part of a DRM
system, I refer you to the following article where the author
interviewed Jim Ward of IBM (one of the authors of the TCPA spec) --
http://www.101com.com/solutions/security/article.asp?ArticleID=3266
In particular, note the fo
Ross Anderson writes:
> During my investigations into TCPA, I learned that HP has started a
> development program to produce a TCPA-compliant version of GNU/linux.
> I couldn't figure out how they planned to make money out of this. On
> Thursday, at the Open Source Software Economics conference,
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Anonymous wrote:
> The amazing thing about this discussion is that there are two pieces
> of conventional wisdom which people in the cypherpunk/EFF/"freedom"
> communities adhere to, and they are completely contradictory.
Makes for lively conversation doesn't it :-)
> Cyphe
Pete Chown wrote quoting Ross:
> > You need a valid signature on the binary, plus a cert to
> use the TCPA
> > PKI. That will cost you money (if not at first, then eventually).
>
> I think it would be a breach of the GPL to stop people
> redistributing the signature: "You must cause any work t
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Anonymous wrote:
> Furthermore, inherent to the TCPA concept is that the chip can in
> effect be turned off. No one proposes to forbid you from booting a
> non-compliant OS or including non-compliant drivers.
Good point. At least I hope they don't. :-)
> There is not even social opprobrium; l
I think Bob made some great points about my book, but it's clear that
this debate
is revolving around a few sentences in Bob's review. Perhaps he miscategorizes
Brin, perhaps he doesn't. I haven't read _Transparent Society_ in some time.
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