Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

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RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

Adam wrote: > Which is too bad. If NAI-PGP went away completely, then > compatability problems would be reduced. I also expect that > the German goverment group currently funding GPG would be > more willing to fund UI work for windows. Tell me about it. PGP, GPG, and all its variants need to

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Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

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Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:24:00AM -0700, Lucky Green wrote: | Adam wrote: | > Which is too bad. If NAI-PGP went away completely, then | > compatability problems would be reduced. I also expect that | > the German goverment group currently funding GPG would be | > more willing to fund UI work

Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

At 10:34 AM -0400 5/23/02, Adam Shostack wrote: >On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:24:00AM -0700, Lucky Green wrote: >| Adam wrote: >| > Which is too bad. If NAI-PGP went away completely, then >| > compatability problems would be reduced. I also expect that >| > the German goverment group currently fun

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RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

Greetings, On Thu, 23 May 2002 00:24:00 -0700, "Lucky Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Adam wrote: > > Which is too bad. If NAI-PGP went away completely, then > > compatability problems would be reduced. I also expect that > > the German goverment group currently funding GPG would be > > m

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RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

Although I also hope for widespread e-mail encryption, I feel that S/MIME introduces more problems than it resolves. Certificate Authorities issue certificates complete with CA imposed expiration dates and usage limitations. (I prefer independent systems with unrestricted certificates) Certifica

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why OpenPGP is preferable to S/MIME (Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)

Certificate authorities also can forge certificates and issue certificates in fake names if asked by government agencies. S/MIME is too much under central control by design to be a sensible choice for general individual use. The central control is doubtless primarily motivated by the hopes of tu

Re: why OpenPGP is preferable to S/MIME (Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 07:10:01PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: | Certificate authorities also can forge certificates and issue | certificates in fake names if asked by government agencies. S/MIME is | too much under central control by design to be a sensible choice for | general individual use. So w

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Re: why OpenPGP is preferable to S/MIME (Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:05:49PM -0400, Adam Shostack wrote: > So what if we create the Cypherpunks Root CA, which (either) signs > what you submit to it via a web page, or publish the secret key? This won't achieve the desired effect because it will just destroy the S/MIME trust mechanism. S/

RE: why OpenPGP is preferable to S/MIME (Re: NAI pulls out the DM CA stick)

> Adam Back[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:05:49PM -0400, Adam Shostack wrote: > > So what if we create the Cypherpunks Root CA, which (either) signs > > what you submit to it via a web page, or publish the secret key? > [...] > > We then get the Cypherpunks Root

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This is a fairly accurate description of the situation, but neglects to emphasize that the reason [1-cypherpunk] bothers convincing [2-coerced associate] to use encrypted e-mail is because [1] understands its importance and is attempting to share/spread that understanding. Although [3-Joe Sixpac

RE: why OpenPGP is preferable to S/MIME

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As mentioned by others, NAI currently seems bent on discouraging proliferation of existing PGP desktop packages. Part of this seeming strategy includes a refusal to sell any further licenses for commercial PGP 7.X. Strangely, the June 2002 PC Magazine (at least where I live) includes a CDROM

Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Curt Smith wrote: > This is a fairly accurate description of the situation, but > neglects to emphasize that the reason [1-cypherpunk] bothers > convincing [2-coerced associate] to use encrypted e-mail is > because [1] understands its importance and is attempting to > share/s

Re: why OpenPGP is preferable to S/MIME (Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)

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