Re: : CDR: Re: AP Al Qaeda

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
Get your damn quoting right, Declan didn't right the '> >' delimited text as you indicate. On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > > So the property you own is really(!) owned by the state and you pay > > the initial payments for title transfer and the taxes during occupation > > (sounds like rent

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Re: The fucking essay

2001-12-12 Thread mattd
>>Clearly you've NEVER actually talked or read a psych book in the last 50 years. David Cooper,rd Laing,Konrad Lorenz,bf,Skinner,Erricson on identity.Dibs in search of self.whReich,steinem. Some of those I read ages ago but I read new scientist regularly and for the last 15 years.Freud is as

Slashdot | Free Software And Its Revolutionary Social Implications

2001-12-12 Thread mattd
>>Those in the audience that are freethinking and not jingoistic Jamesd help me out here! This crappy kraut wants to quote MARX! This choate guy,when he's not baffling with flying saucer bushit,is a motherfucking COMMIESYMP! maybe even a COMMIE! Im not joking,he is clinically insane.

Choate vs mattd [was: RE: The fucking essay]

2001-12-12 Thread Trei, Peter
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Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > Sigh. Choate on court decisions is like Ashcroft on civil liberties. > > Neither understands them. > > Ad hominim, ad hominim, ad nausium. Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like "ad homi

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Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

2001-12-12 Thread David Honig
At 10:39 AM 12/12/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >PS: Not all libertarians believe the "the public responsibilities of >the press are a myth." It's entirely possible to reconcile that phrase >with the idea that a newspaper is a for-profit business. > I'm afraid the closest I can come is to rec

Re: Professor Punished for Witty Remark

2001-12-12 Thread mattd
>>Compared to giants like Brookings? Not well-funded, well-known, big, nor powerful. Few folks even in DC have heard of it. $1M in grants over a period of years is not much by Washington policy group standards. -Declan Compared to so called "libertarian" institute,Cato,that comps our resident

Re: AP Al Qaeda, the wrath of choate!

2001-12-12 Thread mattd
Get your damn quoting right, Declan didn't right the '> >' delimited text as you indicate. Get this right dickhead.Im here to annoy you,declan and any other cypherpunk I feel like.Your fancypants,the lotta youse. (cept peter trei)

Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-12 Thread mattd
"Disgruntled cypherpunk of the Year." me,when I find out this is not about an axe attack on tim may Choates not a poster,he's a spamming menace.How longs he been here?

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Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

2001-12-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
I always enjoy Jonathan's essays, and this one is no exception. He properly points out the disturbing analogy that Attorney General Ashcroft seems to make (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02900.html) between criticism and treason. The craven broadcast media, as Jonathan says, buckling to government "

Re: : CDR: Re: AP Al Qaeda

2001-12-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
Something on which Jim Choate and I can agree. :) --Declan On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:31:21AM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > Get your damn quoting right, Declan didn't right the '> >' delimited text > as you indicate. >

Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
Choate misunderstands journalism. When writing about an appeals court decision, it's generally not appropriate to cite the ravings of Net.wackos in an obscure newsgroup or mailing list a decade ago. Choate shows again he's not merely a Net.wacko; he's a Net.loon. Heck, I didn't even cite a Harva

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Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda

2001-12-12 Thread jamesd
-- On 12 Dec 2001, at 1:16, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Of course there are other considerations in a settlement, > such as avoiding bad publicity -- even if you think you > might win a case by arguing you made a mistake but it was > not malicious. Just google through the Tailwind debate. The

cryptographic fantasy (ca. "Stego, my ass" by WF Buckley)

2001-12-12 Thread Dirk Boxcuttah
The notion that Osama would use a filmed interview to send out recondite commands is cryptographic fantasy. William F. Buckley Jr. OSAMA THE INVINCIBLE http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ucwb/20011211/cm/osama_the_invincible_1.html

Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

2001-12-12 Thread mattd
>>"the public responsibilities of >the press are a myth." It's entirely possible to reconcile that phrase >with the idea that a newspaper is a for-profit business. Especially if your a two headed dog.I cant believe the crap assfluff,cheney and the drongo are putting over you people. They tell

Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

2001-12-12 Thread jamesd
-- On 12 Dec 2001, at 10:39, Declan McCullagh wrote: > * Is it appropriate to use the powerful word "censorship" > to describe what happened when the National Review dropped > Ann Coulter? Coulter has other outlets that will publish > her work; she is not muzzled. Like other news organizations

Re: cryptographic fantasy (ca. "Stego, my ass" by WF Buckley)

2001-12-12 Thread Michael Motyka
> The notion that Osama would use a filmed interview to > send out recondite commands is cryptographic fantasy. > > William F. Buckley Jr. > OSAMA THE INVINCIBLE > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ucwb/20011211/cm/osama_the_invincible_1.html > OK piece. I usually write off Buckley as a pompous ass. I

Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship

2001-12-12 Thread Nomen Nescio
Declan McCullagh writes: > I always enjoy Jonathan's essays, and this one is no exception. He > properly points out the disturbing analogy that Attorney General > Ashcroft seems to make (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02900.html) > between criticism and treason. What Ashcroft actually said, from th

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Re: FW: FreeSWAN Release 1.93 ships!

2001-12-12 Thread Steve Mynott
"Lucky Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > FreeS/WAN occupies a position very rarely found in efficient markets, > such as open source software. While the position is rarely encountered, > it can nonetheless exist: I believe that FreeS/WAN is a natural > monopoly. My impression from the show o

Re: [Remops] And when he returns in February? (fwd)

2001-12-12 Thread A. Melon
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Re: [Remops] And when he returns in February? (fwd)

2001-12-12 Thread Eugene Leitl
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, A. Melon wrote: > Ninny. Got no taste of online soap?

Nomen nescio,my ass.

2001-12-12 Thread mattd
>>. No Attorney General would ever attempt to make the case that criticising government policy is treasonous and should be forbidden. Nomen again,sheesh. Read my lips.KILL THE PRESIDENT. Now lets turn to assflufs absolute support of the "right to life". Except,the odd lethal injection. HELLO!

Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
You make a good argument for dropping the non_U.S. only restriction. The risk may be worth the benefits of kernel integration. That could result in wider corporate use of IPSec to fight real security threats and make it much more difficult, politically, to suppress. My point was just that one

phantoms and rhetoric ( was : CDR: Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship )

2001-12-12 Thread Michael Motyka
Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >Declan McCullagh writes: >> I always enjoy Jonathan's essays, and this one is no exception. He >> properly points out the disturbing analogy that Attorney General >> Ashcroft seems to make (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02900.html) >> between criticism and

Re: CNN.com on Remailers

2001-12-12 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Meyer wrote: >"So far, U.S. and European authorities battling terrorism and cybercrime >have apparently focused their surveillance elsewhere. The FBI and the >National Security Agency, which monitors international telecommunications, >declined to com

FYI: "What the Heck is OPSEC?"

2001-12-12 Thread Faustine
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Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like > > "ad hominem" and "ad nauseam," you ought to learn how they're spelled? > > Not knowing how they are spelled sorta makes people think you might not > know what they mean..

Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Choate misunderstands journalism. Not at all, journalism is the act of interacting with others about their actions and beliefs in the hope that you can spin doctor the reality into something people will find enteraining and hence pay money for. I

Re: CDR: Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > * Is it appropriate to use the powerful word "censorship" to describe > what happened when the National Review dropped Ann Coulter? No, she was using THEIR property and services. > Review has an implicit contract with their writers that says somet

Re: CNN.com on Remailers

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Faustine wrote: > Underestimating your adversary never did anyone a bit of good. Sure it does, it helps the ones who are underestimated. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose m

The Dallas Morning News: Texas/Southwest - FBI: Uncorroborated threat received against Texas schools

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
Heads up folks http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/ap/stories/AP_STATE_0069.html -- -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Stic

Re: CNN.com on Remailers

2001-12-12 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tim May wrote: > The article was not completely silent on speculations about FBI/LEA > efforts: Magic Lantern was mentioned as a way to get the keys. His example was pretty far-fetched, though. Getting all the ISPs to log all their mail so

Re: CNN.com on Remailers

2001-12-12 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Faustine wrote: > I don't know, how about traffic analysis? Yes, but see my previous post. > Exploiting (publicly) undisclosed holes in the remailer software? Same problem as traffic analysis if you are talking about compromising the remailer. Doesn't work after the fact.

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Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > Sigh. Choate on court decisions is like Ashcroft on civil liberties. > > Neither understands them. > > Ad hominim, ad hominim, ad nausium. Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like "ad homi

CNN.com - Army confirms anthrax production in Utah - December 12, 2001

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
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Slashdot | FBI Confirms Magic Lantern Existence

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship

2001-12-12 Thread Greg Broiles
At 08:20 PM 12/12/2001 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: Nomen Nescio wrote recently - >Some claim that behind the truth of Ashcroft's words is a veiled threat. >Aiding national enemies is indeed one of the definitions of treason. >Yet in the larger sense such a reading is plainly absurd. No Attorney

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2001-12-12 Thread mattd
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Re: AP Al Qaeda

2001-12-12 Thread gabriel rosenkoetter
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Just keep in mind that AP is a joke among knowledgeable > > technologists for its unworkability, but a wonderful joke > > on those who believe it's anything more than a taunt. > Total bullshit again. Sure, AP requires anonymous dig

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RE: "What the Heck is OPSEC?"

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RE: Slashdot | Google Expands Usenet Archive to 20 Years

2001-12-12 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:07 AM 12/11/2001 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/12/11/0727218.shtml > >It's nostalgic to see all the bang!path addresses and .arpa hosts. I was surprised that among their lists for first this and that they d