Re: Plane crash in NYC

2001-11-12 Thread John Young
Local reports of eyewitnesses say an engine came off first, and landed separately from the plane. The plane came in "flat," not nosediving, thus perhaps somewhat under the pilot's control. Plane was zigzagging before it crashed. The A300 can be landed without power, thus stable with both engines

mapping in the sierras and places west

2001-11-12 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:01 PM 11/11/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: >One was a map of thousands of "open" communications channels over >wireless links, e.g., 802.11b--just in the Bay Area. In use by >government agencies, even security firms doing police state work. It was >interesting to see what a Yagi antenna mounted in

Re: Plane crash in NYC

2001-11-12 Thread John Young
This may be on national but the local ABC station is showing raw footage of the plane and engine crash sites, fairly close up, right by the fallen engine, and within a few yards of the plane. There are relatively large portions of the plane which seems to indicate a slower speed hit. The fire

Re: mapping in the sierras and places west

2001-11-12 Thread Greg Broiles
At 07:50 AM 11/12/2001 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: >But you missed the mil 4-engine cargo-type plane towing a wire held >in a trailing Y config by two mil copters flying in tight formation >behind it, >circling SF. Yes, I wouldn't have believed that was possible without >having seen it. > >

Re: FBI wants to believe in domestic terrorists.

2001-11-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 05:54:49PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Should the FBI RICO members of this mailing list, the list > will be reported in the press as a right wing extremist hate > group. Don't be silly. Mainstream pop-journalists will be forced to note the presence of anarchist-ty

Re: Declan should be ashamed

2001-11-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:28:57PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > I never click on banner ads, but I decided to do an experiment, just to > see what sort of company Declan has established this business > relationship (of whatever kind) with. To defray in part the costs of running the site, I use Burst

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2001-11-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
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Sircam's humor: "animal farm novel report.doc" forwarded to list

2001-11-12 Thread Major Variola (ret)
The inet-one.com archives show a Sircam offering which is just too humorous to ignore, and which lne.com folks won't see: a file called "animal farm novel report.doc.com" (which is, of course, infected). But the deadly hacker tool known as emacs reveals the following summary (the copyright still

and in other headlines (Atta'd by 587) today...

2001-11-12 Thread Major Variola (ret)
"Hollywood Signs On to Assist War Effort" read the headline today; "Propoganda outlets are military targets" said NATO, last war.

RE: Sircam's humor: "animal farm novel report.doc" forwarded to l ist

2001-11-12 Thread Trei, Peter
> Major Variola (ret)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > > The inet-one.com archives show a Sircam offering which is just too > humorous to ignore, and which lne.com folks won't see: > a file called "animal farm novel report.doc.com" > (which is, of course, infected). > [...] Humor? I think it

List still alive?

2001-11-12 Thread cubic-dog
Messages came to a screeching halt on the 10th.

Re: mapping in the sierras and places west

2001-11-12 Thread Harmon Seaver
Well, very low frequency could be used quite easily by almost anyone, in fact, the simplest, cheapest, most portable transmitters would use VLF and morse code. It's something any 10 year old kid could rig, and you get excellent propagation all over the world. Hams use VLF around campfires ju

Re: mapping in the sierras and places west

2001-11-12 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:36 PM 11/12/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Well, very low frequency could be used quite easily by almost anyone, in >fact, the simplest, cheapest, most portable transmitters would use VLF and >morse code. It's something any 10 year old kid could rig, and you get >excellent propagation

Re: mapping in the sierras and places west

2001-11-12 Thread John Young
Aren't these kind of rigs used to survey, triangulate and record large numbers of ground-based transceivers? If so, they are similar to rigs which do geological surveys with packs of machines you can see traversing likely oil reserves. Odd looking, six or so trucks, bumper to bumper, running 50 y

Teasing Receivers

2001-11-12 Thread mmotyka
Re: mapping in the sierras and places west "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > >At 12:36 PM 11/12/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: >> Well, very low frequency could be used quite easily by almost >anyone, in >>fact, the simplest, cheapest, most portable transmitters would use V

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RE: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Aimee Farr
More like corruption...the intimidation and suppression of moderate viewpoints through public ridicule, an ideological culling based on fears of association, and then a real or perceived compromise from which there is no return? Some would profess American Constitutional ideals, but use methods t

Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim wrote: >Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training >session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for >monkey wrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state >moves. >For security r

Lne.com problems (Re: List still alive?)

2001-11-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
I'm getting this error when I try to send mail to the lne.com node: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This seems to be a DNS problem on meer.net (which provids lne.com with connectivity) or at lne.com itself. I've received lne.com messages to

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Re: List still alive?

2001-11-12 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, cubic-dog wrote: > Messages came to a screeching halt on the 10th. Still here. Can't really say that I've run across anything that isn't redundent the last couple of days. -- Day by da

Re: Slashdot | The Return of Eric Weisstein's World Of Mathematics

2001-11-12 Thread "Jürgen A. Erhard"
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Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread mmotyka
Faustine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >Tim wrote: > >>Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training >>session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for >>monkey wrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state >>moves. > >>For security rea

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Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote: > So why are you publicizing it after the fact? Is it really worth the > risk > you're taking by mentioning it just to respond to a taunt by some > ignorant > smugster behind a remailer? If questioning your commitment is all it > takes

Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Tim May wrote: > You, thank Baal, have no knowledge of what "pushes my buttons." You also > have almost no list experience here (though this has never stopped you > from lecturing us on things you've read about in books). > > I write about what I desire to write about. '

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Re;fbi wants to believe in domestic terrorists

2001-11-12 Thread mattd
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Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote: > If questioning your commitment is all it > takes to push your buttons, I'd say that's less than optimal. >>You, thank Baal, have no knowledge of what "pushes my buttons." True, but even

Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote: > If questioning your commitment is all it > takes to push your buttons, I'd say that's less than optimal. >>You, thank Baal, have no knowledge of what "pushes my buttons." True, but even

Re: Unsecured Wireless/802.11b/Passwords

2001-11-12 Thread Petro
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 07:01 PM, Tim May wrote: > The government agencies are filled with incompetents. Which many of us are thankful for.

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Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Petro
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Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Petro
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote: > Tim wrote: >> Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training >> session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for >> monkey wrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state >> mov

Re: Sedition

2001-11-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:37:39PM -0500, Faustine cited: > http://www.dss.mil/training/adr/alleg/allegF.htm Which says: > Laws are on the books in 41 states to ban either the militias themselves or > paramilitary training or both. (Ref 11) [...] > California. Anti-paramilitary training. Cal. Pen