Local reports of eyewitnesses say an engine came off first,
and landed separately from the plane. The plane came in
"flat," not nosediving, thus perhaps somewhat under the
pilot's control. Plane was zigzagging before it crashed.
The A300 can be landed without power, thus stable with
both engines
At 07:01 PM 11/11/01 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>One was a map of thousands of "open" communications channels over
>wireless links, e.g., 802.11b--just in the Bay Area. In use by
>government agencies, even security firms doing police state work. It
was
>interesting to see what a Yagi antenna mounted in
This may be on national but the local ABC station is
showing raw footage of the plane and engine crash sites,
fairly close up, right by the fallen engine, and within a few
yards of the plane.
There are relatively large portions of the plane which seems
to indicate a slower speed hit. The fire
At 07:50 AM 11/12/2001 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>But you missed the mil 4-engine cargo-type plane towing a wire held
>in a trailing Y config by two mil copters flying in tight formation
>behind it,
>circling SF. Yes, I wouldn't have believed that was possible without
>having seen it.
>
>
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 05:54:49PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Should the FBI RICO members of this mailing list, the list
> will be reported in the press as a right wing extremist hate
> group.
Don't be silly. Mainstream pop-journalists will be forced to note the
presence of anarchist-ty
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:28:57PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> I never click on banner ads, but I decided to do an experiment, just to
> see what sort of company Declan has established this business
> relationship (of whatever kind) with.
To defray in part the costs of running the site, I use Burst
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The inet-one.com archives show a Sircam offering which is just too
humorous to ignore, and which lne.com folks won't see:
a file called "animal farm novel report.doc.com"
(which is, of course, infected). But the deadly hacker tool known
as emacs reveals the following summary (the copyright still
"Hollywood Signs On to Assist War Effort" read the headline today;
"Propoganda outlets are military targets" said NATO, last war.
> Major Variola (ret)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes:
>
> The inet-one.com archives show a Sircam offering which is just too
> humorous to ignore, and which lne.com folks won't see:
> a file called "animal farm novel report.doc.com"
> (which is, of course, infected).
>
[...]
Humor? I think it
Messages came to a screeching halt on the 10th.
Well, very low frequency could be used quite easily by almost anyone, in
fact, the simplest, cheapest, most portable transmitters would use VLF and
morse code. It's something any 10 year old kid could rig, and you get
excellent propagation all over the world. Hams use VLF around campfires ju
At 12:36 PM 11/12/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Well, very low frequency could be used quite easily by almost
anyone, in
>fact, the simplest, cheapest, most portable transmitters would use VLF
and
>morse code. It's something any 10 year old kid could rig, and you get
>excellent propagation
Aren't these kind of rigs used to survey, triangulate and record
large numbers of ground-based transceivers?
If so, they are similar to rigs which do geological surveys
with packs of machines you can see traversing likely oil
reserves. Odd looking, six or so trucks, bumper to bumper,
running 50 y
Re: mapping in the sierras and places west
"Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
>At 12:36 PM 11/12/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>> Well, very low frequency could be used quite easily by almost
>anyone, in
>>fact, the simplest, cheapest, most portable transmitters would use V
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viewpoints through public ridicule, an ideological culling based on fears of
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Tim wrote:
>Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training
>session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for
>monkey wrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state
>moves.
>For security r
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, cubic-dog wrote:
> Messages came to a screeching halt on the 10th.
Still here. Can't really say that I've run across anything that isn't
redundent the last couple of days.
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Faustine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>Tim wrote:
>
>>Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training
>>session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for
>>monkey wrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state
>>moves.
>
>>For security rea
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On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote:
> So why are you publicizing it after the fact? Is it really worth the
> risk
> you're taking by mentioning it just to respond to a taunt by some
> ignorant
> smugster behind a remailer? If questioning your commitment is all it
> takes
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Tim May wrote:
> You, thank Baal, have no knowledge of what "pushes my buttons." You also
> have almost no list experience here (though this has never stopped you
> from lecturing us on things you've read about in books).
>
> I write about what I desire to write about.
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On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote:
> If questioning your commitment is all it
> takes to push your buttons, I'd say that's less than optimal.
>>You, thank Baal, have no knowledge of what "pushes my buttons."
True, but even
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On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote:
> If questioning your commitment is all it
> takes to push your buttons, I'd say that's less than optimal.
>>You, thank Baal, have no knowledge of what "pushes my buttons."
True, but even
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 07:01 PM, Tim May wrote:
> The government agencies are filled with incompetents.
Which many of us are thankful for.
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On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 08:35 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>
>How more noble can a man's life end, then to love his country, or
> his cause, his family, his friends -- more than himself?
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On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Faustine wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training
>> session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for
>> monkey wrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state
>> mov
On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:37:39PM -0500, Faustine cited:
> http://www.dss.mil/training/adr/alleg/allegF.htm
Which says:
> Laws are on the books in 41 states to ban either the militias themselves or
> paramilitary training or both. (Ref 11)
[...]
> California. Anti-paramilitary training. Cal. Pen
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