RE: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Sandy Sandfort
"Dr. Evil" wrote: > One interesting point is that you could > make your own [smallpox] vaccine in > various ways. One is to infect yourself > with cowpox, a related disease which is > not harmful to humans, but which confers > immunity... Sounds like a market opportunity for some enterprising C

FBI monitoring "extremist" groups

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 07:50 AM, Subcommander Bob wrote: > At 11:21 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >>> >>> And who would be "we" ? And who are "they" ? >> >> We - The People. >> They - Anybody that has expressed a sincere desire to blow "the people" > up >> and has warranted a

And now for something completely different...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:02 AM, dmolnar wrote: > On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > >> I don't know if David is posting from Cambridge/Boston, but on the 15th >> I drove through the Callahan tunnel (major road tunnel under the >> harbor, >> and main route to Boston airport)

PRIMARY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT PETITION FORM (25).html

2001-09-26 Thread Bernard Palmer
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Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:03:03PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI > during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional > sources. The FBI is responsible for counterterrorism efforts in the U.S. They have recei

LibertyUnites.org

2001-09-26 Thread Cole Shores
Title: American Liberty Partnership Online Donations: has been contributed by the online community to disaster relief efforts as of September 19, 2001. Relief organiza-

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:07:49PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > None. You are not obligated to make serving papers convenient. You can > be out of the country, you can leave by limousine from an underground > garage, you can crawl out you bathroom window. This is, as the lawyers > say, "black letter

Get Real

2001-09-26 Thread mmotyka
This discussion about talking to the FBI has me ROTFLMAO. I feel like I'm watching a John Wayne movie with its simplified moral categories of good and evil. Why not say that cooperation is dependent upon the situation? Exercise your judgement. Witness to a hit and run : "I wrote the make, mode

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:12:29AM -0700, Tim May wrote: > (I note that most of the CNBC reporters I see everyday talk about their > commutes in from outlying areas, mostly in areas of New Jersey about > 15-50 miles west of NYC. And no doubt many who work in NYC choose to > live in Connecticutt

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Riad S. Wahby
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was spooning from the top of my head. It's more generally known as > the RSA public key encryption patent, released by RSA September 6, 2000: > > http://www.rsasecurity.com/news/pr/000906-1.html > > I don't have the patent number handy but co

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread John Young
David Honig wrote optimistically: >Zero unemployment, rents drop in cities, and smooth >skin becomes even more desirable. Not if New York City leaders get their way: high rents, pestilence, repulsive jobs, diseased bodies, will continue as intended for the Apple like other great cities of the

Aimee == FBI?

2001-09-26 Thread citizenq
>It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI >during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional >sources. > "we" --- do you mean "WE ALL need..." or "WE AT THE FBI need..." Or am I behind the curve on this one? You-all may have determined this som

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 11:43 AM, John Young wrote: > David Honig wrote optimistically: > >> Zero unemployment, rents drop in cities, and smooth >> skin becomes even more desirable. > > Not if New York City leaders get their way: high rents, > pestilence, repulsive jobs, diseased bod

RE: Mind control: U.S. Measures May Incite Domestic Terror

2001-09-26 Thread Anonymous User
>Part of our problem in regard to U.S.-based domestic terrorism and militia >groups has been our prosecutorial or military "snatch" mindset. We need to >attack their strategy, rather than engage in actions that legitimize their >world views, incite action, encourage radicalization and facilitate >

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2001-09-26 Thread Tessy144
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Re: Get Real

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 10:58 AM, Steve Furlong wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> This discussion about talking to the FBI has me ROTFLMAO. I feel like >> I'm watching a John Wayne movie with its simplified moral categories of >> good and evil. Why not say that cooperation is d

RE: Preparedness

2001-09-26 Thread dmolnar
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > I don't know if David is posting from Cambridge/Boston, but on the 15th > I drove through the Callahan tunnel (major road tunnel under the harbor, > and main route to Boston airport). No stops, no noticable extra security. Oh! I'm sorry for not making th

stego messages on news.admin.net-abuse.misc

2001-09-26 Thread Anonymous
There are a lot of postings like this one. The poetry is very excellent perhaps? Dylan Thomas meets PeterWayner at Starbucks in Palo Alto. >We eerily shoot behind slow discarded >cybercafes. Alice will >sneakily post in back of Francine when the >chosen LANs twist >in front of the minor web

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Dr. Evil
> Sounds like a market opportunity for some enterprising Cypherpunk. > So Doctor, where do I get cowpox? >From cows, of course! Edward Jenner, in the late 1700s, noticed that milkmaids tended to have resistance to smallpox, so he took some cowpox pus from a milkmaid named Sarah Nelmes, and injec

Call for Presentations: CODECON 2002

2001-09-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Forwarded from linux-elitists. - CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: CODECON 2002 http://www.codecon.org/ Please forward wherever applicable. CodeCon 2002, scheduled for February 15, 16,

RE: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Doh! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 September, 2001 12:53 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Smallpox? > > > On 26 Sep 2001, at 9:09, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > > > Sounds like a market opportunit

RE: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Rodney Thayer
You can easily avoid visits by mormons because their missionary strategy is a pattern -- if you see two young-ish people with black nametags walking down the street, that's them. Anecdote: a friend of mine (who subscribes to this list) had a bad scare on 9/11 -- his doorbell rang and he saw thro

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
[My apologies to the list for continuing this thread. I should know better.] On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > Incorrect. There is no PGP/MIME support in Outlook, and the Eudora > > PGP/MIME handling is less than perfect. > > My information is different, though I've not used Outloo

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Meyer Wolfsheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - It's not that Mutt doesn't play well with others (and yes, I'm aware > > No, it's Mutt users who don't play well with others. Be fair. I rewrote much of the PGP functionality in Mutt just so I could send PGP-signed messages to this list without

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:03 AM, David Honig wrote: > I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they > approach a door. Don't know about signage by your driveway; locally > you need a 3 signs per mile (IIRC) on your property to keep people > away. Not sure ab

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread David Honig
At 10:17 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: > So what's the deal with smallpox anyway? When I was a >kid we all got innoculated against it, and it was supposed >to be a lifetime thing. Not sure about that, but: > Did they stop vaccinating everyone for smallpox at some >point? > Ye

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread David Honig
At 10:07 PM 9/25/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >Not answering the door makes them _at least_ wait until one has to leave. > >Oh, and they can't wait _on_ your property, now can they? That would be >trespassing. > I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they approach a door.

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote: > In the case of peace officer questioning, you can just ask them to leave. > No need to hide. > > The main reason not to invite peace officers in is because of the risk > they might see something which would give rise to probable cause for a > search.

Re: Aimee == FBI?

2001-09-26 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI > >during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional > >sources. > > > > "we" --- do you mean "WE ALL need..." or "WE AT THE FBI need..." Interesting wordi

Re: Muslims and Christians Stand United

2001-09-26 Thread Elyn Wollensky
WTF is this? - Original Message - From: CJ Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Cipher SmartAss Punks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:01 AM Subject: Muslims and Christians Stand United > We can't think about the deaths at the WTC in NYC with

The Trial of Henry Kissinger

2001-09-26 Thread Steve Schear
This is an excerpt from "The Trial of Henry Kissinger" by Christopher Hitchens , Chap. 2, "Indochina", pages 25-26. [Pub: Verso/2001 , ISBN 1-85984-631-9] "On 12 May 1975, Cambodian gunboats detained an American merchant

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:42:19AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > I'm not set up to run same, but I'm interested in finding one that > doesn't demime. http://www.lne.com/cpunk has an up-to-date list of the different CDRs and their policies. Eric

RE: Mind control: U.S. Measures May Incite Domestic Terror

2001-09-26 Thread Subcommander Bob
At 11:21 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >> >> And who would be "we" ? And who are "they" ? > >We - The People. >They - Anybody that has expressed a sincere desire to blow "the people" up >and has warranted a threat-rating. Clue: your herders, the USG, wants to blow you up (if male between 18

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:24:44PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: <...> > For the most part, Mutt is an excellent email client. However, I'm > actually going to correct myself, and say that it *is* Mutt that doesn't > play well wi

Re: FAA new rules and the nEW gEStApo (was Nail clippers

2001-09-26 Thread mmotyka
Yawn... xganon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >Hmm lets outlaw gelatin capsules on the grounds that they facilitate >turning human finger and toenails very hard and allow the use of same >as weapons(it does NOT take very much to tear the caratoid artery open) > Don't you mean carotid? >same for to

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, September 25, 2001, at 06:42 PM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > At 6:06 PM -0700 9/25/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >> Whether you take my approach or Tim's approach isn't all that >> important. >> What is vital, is that you maintain your sense of moral superiority. >> Any >> personal fear, g

Re: Muslims and Christians Stand United

2001-09-26 Thread Bill Stewart
CJ's one of the more colorful fiction writers on the list At 05:00 PM 09/26/2001 -0400, Elyn Wollensky wrote: >WTF is this? > >- Original Message - >From: CJ Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Cipher SmartAss Punks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, September

Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
I reported it in an article I wrote Monday; Monday's hearing where chairman Sensenbrenner announced this was covered live on CSPAN; the committee web site was updated to reflect this; the wire service daybooks were updated to reflect this. -Declan On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:31:16PM -1000, Reese

Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001

2001-09-26 Thread Alan
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 17:38, Black Unicorn wrote: > Since the only goal in the first place was to delay I repeat: > > SUCCESS! Until they wait until people look the other way and then sneak it past. (Like every other privacy-rapeing bill over the last ten years.) > > - Original Mess

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