On 12 Sep 2001, at 16:32, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:59:57PM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote:
> > This morning the local media here in Massachusetts were reporting
> > that a bag for the flight which fortuitously failed to get on the
> > plane was found to contain a Koran, "Is
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2001/09/12/financial1728EDT0175.DTL
"The FBI is serving search warrants to
major Internet service providers in order
to get information about an e-mail
address believed to be connected to
Tuesday's terrorist attacks.
[..]
"They said they're
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At 02:22 PM 9/12/01 , Tim May wrote:
>Personally, while I feel sorry for the dead in Israel, I think anyone who
>moves to a small desert state surrounded on all sides by Arabs who want
>their land back is asking for trouble.
Tim May feels as sorry for
Shows New York harbor, big plume of smoke and two visible fires.
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> (the collapsing towers reminded me of Independence Day).
Reminded me of Sideshow Bob[1]... buildings sprouting dreadlocks..
Didn't have any Einsturzende Neubaten playing that early in the AM,
though
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Shows New York harbor, big plume of smoke and two visible fires.
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From: David Farber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IP: SPOT infrared satellite image of Manhattan
>SPOT infrared satellite image of Ma
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Date: 12 Sep 2001 19:11:23 -0400
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Subject: The tragedy in NYC
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2001 September 12
An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity
Fellow Citizens of the United States of America:
I am moved to write as a founder of a movement that, far beyond my own
efforts, has eloquently expressed an ideal, the ideal of privacy in
society. Privacy is not uniquely American, yet
(Some commentary on various silliness to hit the list in the wake of
the terrorists attacks on the 11th).
Assertion: "If only all airline passengers could be armed this never
would have happened."
This is bunk.
All it takes is an AD to kill 300+ people on a airplane at 35,000 feet.
I've b
On 12 Sep 2001, at 23:30, Frog2 wrote:
> Assertion: "The overt sophistication of this attack was such that I
> have a hard time believing the perps would leave so many obvious clues
> behind without intending to."
>
> These are suicide attacks. Why do they care what clues they leave?
Interest
Anyone have the list of countries that Bush is planning on scheduling for
termination?
I would imagine Afganistan and Iraq are the first two. Will he toss in
Syria, Sudan, and Libya as well?
It looks like the game that is being played here, is that all countries
are being given an opportunity t
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 02:36:14PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote:
> So when's the Congress going to outlaw encryption? I assume we'll all be
> expected to make such small sacrifices for the larger good.
I assume you wrote this before you saw my Wired article on the topic.
-Declan
Hi, does anyone have a copy of the email Eric Hughes sent out? I
somehow didn't get it and I can't find it in the archive.
Thanks!
Amateur radio was the first casualty after Pearl Harbor. Some criticize the
action now, of course.
~Aimee
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Declan McCullagh
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subjec
I agree with Liz. This violates journalistic principles (old footage
can be used but must be labeled "file footage" or similar) and would
expose CNN to withering criticism from its competitors and other
journalists.
Worth ignoring.
-Declan
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700, lizard wrote
That won't work you dolt!
You are forgetting about string, cord, and belts. No belts!
And no long fingernails!
They should just handcuff us to our seats. And let us up one at a time to
go potty.
Yeah, that's it.
Dynamite Bob wrote:
> Airlines would only be allowed to provide passengers with
2001 September 13
A Call for a Chorus of Voices
To All Who Would Defend Liberty and Freedom:
Yesterday I wrote an open letter to all my fellow citizens. Today I write
to all those who would defend liberty, on-line and everywhere else, from
the looming threat of demagoguery that now hangs over
On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 01:58 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html
>
>Congress Mulls Stiff Crypto Laws
>By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>1:45 p.m. Sep. 13, 2001 PDT
>
>WASHINGTON -- The encryption wars have begun
"Nomen Nescio" wrote:
> It is at exactly this time that soul
> searching is most appropriate. Now is
> when you should ask yourself: Am I
> doing the right thing? Am I making the
> world a better place?
>
> You don't have to convince some devil's
> advocate. Just convince yourself.
"Nomen" a
Greg Broiles writes:
> I propose that this sort of discussion - about whether or not, in the face
> of violence and tragedy, some aspect of human freedom and expression can be
> suitably "justified" to satisfy every self-appointed devil's advocate - is
> absolutely unproductive and serves only
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At 12:20 AM 9/14/2001 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>You're about to begin running a remailer. Apparently you haven't done
>so before. Well, it should be quite an education.
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you'll find plenty of references to the remailer I ran in 1994-19
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I realize that many will use this event as an excuse for many
political agendas, but I think it's important that we think through
exactly what happened. It doesn't seem like it was an assault on
liberty or a misuse of the liberties we have. Most people can't fly
planes. The learning process is
>But they are. On U.S. domestic flights they have merely to
>present themselves and acceptable credentials (which BTW the
>airline personnel are poorly trained to authenticate) and state
>in a form that they are traveling for LE purposes.
That goes for federal LEOs, not local or state.
At 11:15 AM 9/13/2001 -0700, Derek Balling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>At 10:28 PM -0700 9/12/01, Steve Schear wrote:
>>>If local police officers who fly were allowed to carry their guns with
>>>them, warned only to switch to frangible ammunition, this couldn't have
>>>happened.
>>
>>But they are.
Two dozen boxcutters $20
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On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 08:39 AM, Aimee Farr wrote:
> For the sick people in here that like to call for TNA's (target name and
> address) for judicial officials etc.
>
> --
> NLECTC Law Enforcement & Corrections Technology News Summary
> Thursday, September 13, 2001
> --
> "Technologi
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> At 09:57 PM 9/12/01 -0400, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> >That's not an answer - thats an interview with little details.
>
> If you look at the links from that page, you'll see it's actually an
> extraordinary lengthy interview that details bin Lad
Declan McCullagh writes:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > Some terrorists have exactly this as their goal. They are hoping
> > to trigger a counter-reaction, an over-reaction, by the authorities.
> > They want to see a crackdown on liberties, a police state. Th
Eric Hughes wrote:
> 2001 September 12
> An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity
It's a well written letter, unquestionably. But there's a problem.
While the title of the letter refers to privacy and anonymity, these terms
are hardly used in the body. Privacy is referred to only in the first
p
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote:
> "undercover" operations to shut down the Cypherpunks, PGP, and
> Extropians lists.
I dunno about Agent Farr, but the Extropians@ are innocent. Utterly.
Please take that into considerations, Yer Honor.
-- Eugen* Leitl http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/";>leitl
Unfortunately I've been getting reports from around the US of
American Muslims being attacked and harassed. If you want to stay on
top of the latest news I recommend that you subscribe to The Muslim
Student Association News mailing list (MSANEWS). The list is fairly
high volume, but does con
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U.S. Held Liable in '90 Kidnap
Ruling: A court says the government-arranged
abduction of a Mexican
doctor sought in the murder of a DEA agent broke
international law.
It's always amazing to see how stupid the responses are to various
messages. There seems to be no limit to the ignorance of the cypherpunks.
It is well known that this is a motivation for many terrorists. If you
will not believe it from an anonymous message, perhaps you will be
convinced by
James Donald writes:
> Obviously this catastrophe could not have taken place without the
> unauthorized use of paper. Paper allows people to communicate
> dangerous ideas and secret messages.
>
> With paper, anyone can communicate to large numbers of people at
> once, even if they are not proper
At 09:10 PM 9/13/2001 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>The fact is, crypto as we know it is a luxury. It didn't even exist ten
>years ago. None of the crypto tools we use did. We can hardly make a
>case that banning or restricting access to them will send us back into
>the stone age.
>
>Please, let'
On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 09:43 AM, citizenQ wrote:
> VIA CNN this AM:
> (somewhat paraphrasing)
>
> Bush Sr., speaking to some corporate collection of cronies: "We'll also
> have to look at this Internet thing you all know so much about, and
> review our policies..."
>
> Gephardt: "W
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
The fact is, crypto as we know it is a luxury. It didn't
even exist ten years ago. None of the crypto tools we use
did. We can hardly make a case that banning or restricting
access to them will send us back into the stone age.
>
Please, let's end these spurious arguments
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Unconfirmed reports just coming in that one of the WTC recovered bodies may be that of
Chandra Levy...
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21639.html
The anonymous remailer network isn't closing, despite an alarmist and
inaccurate story by Wired's Declan McCullagh, and postings to his own
widely-read Politech mailing list.
Len Sassaman, a security expert and privacy advocate who runs the Ra
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Tim May
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cypherpunk Threat Analysis
>
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 08:39 AM, Aimee Farr wrote:
>
> > For the
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> Arabs are by default very nobel, trustworthy and honourable people. But
> they are not cows. They will not bow their heads as their civilization is
> brutalized and raped. They will fight back with the vengence that is
> the holy jihad.
Not too
CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians
Can anyone verify this?
http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=6946
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Eric Murray wrote:
>I think I have seen examples of this before, but I can't remember
>where. Does anyone know who or what generates it?
>[example snipped]
Looks like random stuff/stego generated using a jargon file for nouns. The
grammar is coherent, so it is likely built
I realize that many will use this event as an excuse for many
political agendas, but I think it's important that we think through
exactly what happened. It doesn't seem like it was an assault on
liberty or a misuse of the liberties we have. Most people can't fly
planes. The learning process is
At 10:28 PM -0700 9/12/01, Steve Schear wrote:
>>If local police officers who fly were allowed to carry their guns with
>>them, warned only to switch to frangible ammunition, this couldn't have
>>happened.
>
>But they are. On U.S. domestic flights they have merely to present
>themselves and acce
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:11:01 -0700
To: (Gravy Letter Honorable Subscriber)
From: GRAVY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GRAVY on the attack
Fire is what brought the towers down. An engineer friend explained
that after a fire burns for awhile, the steel holding up the
structure softens. When it f
For the sick people in here that like to call for TNA's (target name and
address) for judicial officials etc.
--
NLECTC Law Enforcement & Corrections Technology News Summary
Thursday, September 13, 2001
--
"Technological Advances in Assessing Threats to Judicial
Officials"
Sheriff (08/01) Vol. 53
I am sending this to certain appropriate representatives:
Osama Bin Ladin said in an interview: "We have seen in the last decade the
decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier
who is ready to wage Cold Wars and unprepared to fight long wars."
But American soldie
--
On 12 Sep 2001, at 14:59, Trei, Peter wrote:
> I sincerely hope that the remaining perpetrators of this
> atrocity are found and punished, but entertain no illusions
> that doing so will prevent future attacks. That can only come
> from a shift of US government attitude from "I've got th
This is what I vaguely recall -- I didn't write about it myself. I recall
it was a GAO investigation that the Post wrote about. --Declan
At 08:27 AM 9/13/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
>At 10:01 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>>On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:28:24PM -0700, Steve Schear w
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Declan McCullagh writes:
> > On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > > Some terrorists have exactly this as their goal. They are hoping
> > > to trigger a counter-reaction, an over-reaction, by the authorities.
> > > They want
--
On 12 Sep 2001, at 18:00, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Maybe our own policies and beliefs have turned against us, to
> our detriment. There have been a number of reports that bin
> Laden uses cryptography and even steganography tools. This
> could still have a significant crypto connection.
Obv
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If, however, it turns out that all the terrorists were from some
> countries that are unfree, poor and miserable, and are outraged by the
> fact that we are free, rich and happy, and blame us, rather than
> themselves, for their poverty and misery, t
"Anonymizer.com Launches 'Operation Safe Investigation' to
Help Law Enforcement and Journalism Professionals Maintain
Anonymity and Safety Online"
PRNewswire (09/06/01)
NLECTC Law Enforcement & Corrections Technology News Summary
Thursday, September 13, 2001
...
Anonymizer.com just debuted its "Op
At 10:01 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:28:24PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
> > But they are. On U.S. domestic flights they have merely to present
> > themselves and acceptable credentials (which BTW the airline personnel are
> > poorly trained to authentic
VIA CNN this AM:
(somewhat paraphrasing)
Bush Sr., speaking to some corporate collection of cronies: "We'll also have to look
at this Internet thing you all know so much about, and review our policies..."
Gephardt: "We don't have to, we don't want to change the Constitution, but there will
nee
For those who prattle about massive planning for this attack on those
Way Too Crumbly buildings:
Low tech High concept attack. You could use Microsoft Flight sim 2 to learn
how to fly a 767. I have a plastic knife made by Glock that is very sharp.
You could use the internet and Travelocity .c
[I am removing Politech from the dist. list. Cross-posting to mulitple
lists is a terrible idea. Decide which list you want to talk on, then do
it _there_.]
On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 08:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --
> On 12 Sep 2001, at 19:24, Steve Schear wrote:
>> The kn
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Declan McCullagh writes:
> > On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > > Some terrorists have exactly this as their goal. They are hoping
> > > to trigger a counter-reaction, an over-reaction, by the authorities.
> > > They want
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:38:28 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vin Suprynowicz)
Subject: Oct. 10 column -- "free market" in the skies?
FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 10, 1999
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
Let's launch an 'all-armed, all-smoking' ai
> Many people have made this point, but it is so fundamentally wrong that
> it's hard to believe that anyone takes it seriously.
No one really does.
> Paper, and metal, and knives, and airplanes, and all the other things
> which have been compared to anonymity tools, are different in one major
Matthew Gaylor wrote:
>
> CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians
>
> Can anyone verify this?
>
> http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=6946
>
Reading through the following comments, it seems unlikely. Possible, but
unlikely. The evidence, at this po
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html
Congress Mulls Stiff Crypto Laws
By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
1:45 p.m. Sep. 13, 2001 PDT
WASHINGTON -- The encryption wars have begun.
For nearly a decade, privacy mavens have been worrying that a
terror
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700, lizard wrote:
| Matthew Gaylor wrote:
| >
| > CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians
| >
| > Can anyone verify this?
| >
| > http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=6946
| >
| Reading through the following com
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:32:13 -0400
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Subject: DES cracked by teenagers?
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-091301terror.story
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On 12 Sep 2001, at 19:24, Steve Schear wrote:
> The knife ban won't work against anyone with even a smidgen of
> metal detector knowledge. Anyone can purchase a razor sharp
> ceramic knife like this one
> http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Rd6ExOvaDz8:www.smarthome.
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