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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Normen Nomesco wrote:
> Oh and Im sure having guns on board planes would work out great
> especially considering the increase of people having huge fucking fits
> and having to be held down on planes, yeah, lets arm people on
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John Young wrote:
>
> Somebody who claims to be from inside the Pentagon
> is saying an F16 shot down the airliner that crashed in
> Pennsylvania. Are there news reports of this?
Thee is also a net.rumour (with Jerry Pournelle's name attached to it)
that someone on the plane attacked the hijacke
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010912/ts/attack_suspects_dc_1.html
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:49:49PM -0700, John Young wrote:
> Somebody who claims to be from inside the Pentagon
> is saying an F16 shot down the airliner that crashed in
> Pennsylvania. Are there news reports of this?
>
> Also that a number of generals were killed in the
> Pentagon. Any news of
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Sunder wrote:
> I'd still fucking rush them if I had been there. If anything it would
> wake everyone else up to do the same.
I'd like to think I would have, but honestly I don't know. Also, if the
first rusher is killed, that acts as a negative example for the others.
Th
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Derek Balling wrote:
>
>> Doesn't domestic surveillance of civilian cel-phone calls, without a
>> warrant, fall into a really "Gray"[1] area? I thought NSA wasn't
>> permitted to do that...
>
>If it goes out of the country it isn't domestic.
But the news was reporting abo
To my knowledge, no. FBI confiscated the 911 tapes yesterday for
analysis and investigation, and wouldn't even confirm that the 911
call had taken place... CNN mentioned that yesterday.
D
At 11:31 AM -0400 9/12/01, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
>[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Are any sound files of this
Suffused with boredom, Lucky Green wrote,
> Nomen wrote:
> ---
> What are the roles of we who provide technology that aids terrorists
> as well as honorable people who seek the shield of privacy? Do we bear
> a share of the responsibility for the deaths and other consequences of
> te
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Some terrorists have exactly this as their goal. They are hoping
> to trigger a counter-reaction, an over-reaction, by the authorities.
> They want to see a crackdown on liberties, a police state. This will
> weaken the enemy and de
At 06:03 PM 9/12/01 +0200, Eugene Leitl forwarded:
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>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:49:13 -0500
>From: Jeff Bone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Robert S. Thau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Coordination, maximizing terror, hypotheses
>
>* The targeti
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"Raymond D. Mereniuk" wrote:
> I don't see where only a terrorist group backed by the resources of
> a national government could pull this off. A week or two for planning
> and a group of people who can keep their mouth's shut plus the
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Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> "Raymond D. Mereniuk" wrote:
>
> > I don't see where only a terrorist group backed by the resources of
> > a national government could pull this off. A week or two for planning
> > and a group of people who can keep their mouth's shut plus the
> > most important quality
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Are any sound files of this 911 call available?]
http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0109120251sep12.story
From the Chicago Tribune
911 call preceded fiery Pennsylvania crash
Frantic passenger relates hijacking via cell phone
By Julia Keller and Jon Yate
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Sure, but whose chicken? Maybe our own policies and beliefs have turned
> against us, to our detriment. There have been a number of reports that
> bin Laden uses cryptography and even steganography tools. This could
> still have a significant crypto c
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Sure, but whose chicken? Maybe our own policies and beliefs have turned
> against us, to our detriment. There have been a number of reports that
> bin Laden uses cryptography and even steganography tools. This could
> still have a significant crypto
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep
Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
>On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Some terrorists have exactly this as their goal. They are hoping
>> to trigger a counter-reaction, an over-reaction, by the authorities.
>> They want to see a crackdown on liberties, a
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Ken Brown wrote:
>A friend of mine wonders if they had a Boeing flight simulator.
>Apparently they would need to know how to disable the autopilot and do a
>couple of other technobabble things a groundling like me doesn't
>recognise.
Nuh. That *is* something you can easily c
At 12:27 PM 9/12/2001 -0400, Sundar wrote:
>...
>Fucking troll! If anything, you have a lot more in common with those
>responsible for this atrocy than you do with any freedom loving citizen of
>the USA. Or for that matter any cypherpunk.
>
>This was an attack against our liberty. Against our f
Just thinking about what the US Postal Service, Fed Ex, and UPS are doing
to keep themselves going.
steve
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Today, remailer operators are shutting down their services. Why?
> Do they feel shame and guilt at providing a service which could foster
> destruction? Maybe they should have thought of that before deciding
> to run a remailer. Or are they merely fea
Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >* The targeting of the second attack may be a subtle pointer to state
> >involvement. I understand that the part of the Pentagon that was hit houses
> >the nerve center for the Army's worldwide logistics command. It appears that
>
> It was one of the worst places t
* To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Subject: Bombings, Surveillance, and Free Societies
* From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy C. May)
* Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:51:40 -0800
* Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 12:47 PM 9/12/01 -0500, Jeff Bone wrote:
> > This is nonsense,
>
>Just thinking out loud, here, not asserting anything.
Fair enough.
> and shows how seriously we should take the rest of the
> > message. I was at the Pentagon yesterday; the plane did not hit the south
> > side. (Photos at mcc
Someone pointed me to some Usenet posts containing "encrypted gibberish".
Doing a deja search on the words "Alejandro transports" from this
post shows that there's thousands of these posted to all kinds of
Usenet newsgroups. It looks like some sort of stego text system.
Judging from the words who
> Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
>
>
> "Raymond D. Mereniuk" wrote:
>
> > I don't see where only a terrorist group backed by the resources of
> > a national government could pull this off. A week or two for planning
> > and a group of people who can keep their mouth's shut plus t
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:04:18PM -0700, Dynamite Bob wrote:
.
>
> Maybe it wasn't Osama, it was a conspiracy between Amtrack +
> office-space realtors..
the owners of the Empire State building wanted to
regain the "tallest building in New York" title.
Rumor is, one set of the "Martyr Airlines" replacement-crew had
left a video of how to fly planes, in Arabic, in his luggage.
What would be pretty cool is to find a copy of MS Flight Sim
with notes on simflying the large Boeing airplane over NYC terrain...
But Bill Gates != Steve Jackson, and th
At 12:47 PM 9/12/2001 -0500, Jeff Bone wrote:
>Declan McCullagh wrote:
? wrote: (I'm too lazy to look it up, with all the lists posted to it
doesn't seem worth the bother)
>>>* The targeting of the second attack may be a subtle pointer to state
>>>involvement. I understand that the
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> There are two contrasting forces at the heart of the cypherpunk
> philosophy, well exemplified by the two co-founders, and their messages
> posted today show the difference well.
>
> The dark anger of May versus the bright hope of Hu
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 08:06:14PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> so far i have not figured that one out. sure arabs are dancing in the
> street - their happy - poor arafat was doing penance today by giving
> blood. and i understand the japanese red army is also being blamed for
> this. but
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote:
> lawyers point out to me that such prior restraints will never fly. Well,
> how has the First Amendment stopped the government from restricting
> what I
> can say about medicine, what abortion advice I can give, the "dirty
> words"
> I choose to use, the supp
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Here's a thoughtful piece I received from Sean Hastings:
> From: Sean Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 12 September, 2001 20:22
> Subject: FW: "Attack on America" - a Personal Response
>
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>"Attack o
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If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-popula
> Jeezus guys, get a clue. You can't pull the same stunt twice, whether
> its a 'normal' hijacking
> which turns out to be different (so much for passenger compliance..), or
> the latest social-engineering virus trick. The rubes *do* learn.
This is the end of "normal hijacking". They spoiled it
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Len Sassaman wrote:
> I'll inevitably be accused of being cowardly or selfish for switching my
> system over to middleman mode. To the cypherpunks making those
> accusations, I ask: Do you run a remailer?
your showing a level of concern which is understandable. but what i s
At 11:29 PM 9/11/01 -0700, John Young wrote:
>
>We know from the Egypt air crash that some pilots are
>cooperatively suicidal when their families are at risk.
Lucky John, who has never known the depths which might lead
men to suicide, expecting no martyrdom or message, just relief.
May your strut
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At 08:08 PM 9/11/01 -0700, Lucky Green wrote about arming citizens & plane
travellers.
Would regular ammo trash the plane? Would you have to ask passengers
to load up with nylon or frangible ammo for the plane trip?
[In _Unintended Consequences_ nylon bullets are used for extreme
nonpenetration
At 12:33 AM 9/12/01 -0400, Sunder wrote:
>I'd still fucking rush them if I had been there. If anything it would
>wake everyone else up to do the same.
No, you *wouldn't* have *before* ---you'd expect to land and hang
out for a while. Rather exotic for an American, but it happens.
But now, of c
Peter Trei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Stewart[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
>> And even then, Swedish president Palme was assassinated some years
>> ago.
[...]
> He was far from merely a Swedish president.
Quite true. He was Swedish prime-minister, there is no president in
_Kingdom_ of Sw
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[My wife worked for one of the major airlines for several years. The
following is from conversations we had regarding airport security.]
Knives
The knife ban won't work against anyone with even a smidgen of metal
detector knowledge. Anyone can purchase a razor sharp ceramic knife like
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