Re: Condit's false testimony to cops

2001-07-10 Thread Tim May
At 10:04 PM -0400 7/9/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:56:12PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special >> objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet? > >Right. It was former AG Thornburgh

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Re: Condit's false testimony to cops

2001-07-10 Thread Tim May
At 9:12 PM -0500 7/9/01, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >> > Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special >> > objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet? >> >> Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on

Re: Condit's false testimony to cops

2001-07-10 Thread George
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: # #I'm sure the locals aren't looking forward to pissing off one #of their potential "agents of funding" on something as #inconsequential as a simple bimbo killing... Yes, that's a factoid not to be dismissed. Today on the news it was clearly stated that

Re: Meatspace anonymity manual

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote: > >>They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite >>awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real* >>troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an "affinity squad" will >>target that individual. By making it very di

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Re: You ARE the weakest link. Good-bye!

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>>The progression was reasonably simple, as I recall. >> >>First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival >> of the fittest, etc. > >Teaching people this fact might do wonders for getting ten million >leeches off the welfare rolls and state subsidy scams, so I applaud

Re: Find Waldo now!

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>In adopting the black outfit the Black Bloc has made themselves easier >to single out. > >What about doing something a little more sophisticated like, say, >everyone wears jeans and sneakers and rolls a die to choose : > >Baseball cap, bandana, t-shirt color. > >Limit the garb to a small set of c

Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Tim May
At 7:19 PM +0100 7/6/01, Ken Brown wrote: >"A. Melon" wrote: ... >> 'political crimes', it seems the best options are to simply leave the >> country altogether or forget about the personal freedoms granted by the >> constitution. > >> So my question is: where to go? > >> How does one >> 'dr

rent seeking behavior -the final frontier

2001-07-10 Thread Dynamite Bob
could bring in millions of dollars a year in taxes to schools and government. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/latimes/20010710/lo/l_a_county_targets_satellites_in_out-of-this-world_tax_plan_1.html

Re: Pigs Drive Man to Suicide and Steal His Estate

2001-07-10 Thread Greg Newby
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:14:11AM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >... > Robert Vorbeck, 38, was arrested July 2, 1999, for allegedly selling > cocaine to undercover officers, and committed suicide in his county jail > cell 11 days later. He had faced life in prison if convicted of felony > drug c

Re: rent seeking behavior -the final frontier

2001-07-10 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Dynamite Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Los Angeles County Assessor Rick Auerbach is angling to impose > property taxes on several satellites. A friend of mine would be willing to pay $15000 to anyone who could accurately predict the day of Mr. Auerbach's demise. Oh, wait. No digital cash, no

lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Dynamite Bob
Get a load of this lawyer's physics: "The property in question here is geostationary," said Larry Hoenig, a San Francisco attorney representing Hughes Electronics. "Geostationary satellites sit above the equator in a fixed position; they do not rotate around the Earth. So the satellites we're ta

Re: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote: >"The property in question here is geostationary," >said Larry Hoenig, a San Francisco attorney >representing Hughes Electronics. "Geostationary >satellites sit above the equator in a fixed >position; they do not rotate around the Earth. So >the satell

Re: Meatspace anonymity manual

2001-07-10 Thread Faustine
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote: > >> Frankly, I don't see how any kind of "short-term tactic for possibly >> illegal operations on the street in an environment full of police" >> could be good for anything more than the symbolic. What did these > > Frankly, I think you're missing the point

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Sandy Sandfort
"Dynamite Bob" wrote: > Get a load of this lawyer's physics: > > "Geostationary satellites sit above > the equator in a fixed position; > they do not rotate around the Earth. Maybe he was making a very sophisticated argument about "frame of reference" (or maybe not). :-D S a n d y So the tr

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Ray Dillinger wrote: > Now, if Sri Lanka wanted to charge > property taxes for some prime > orbital real estate, it might be > able to make a better case -- it > actually *has* prime orbital real > estate. Only in Arthur C. Clarks science fiction. The equator does not cross Sri Lanka. Now Ecua

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Trei, Peter
> -- > From: Ray Dillinger[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:36 PM > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites) > > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote: > > >"The property in question here is geost

Satellite taxes

2001-07-10 Thread mmotyka
Um, wouldn't a natural way to assess property taxes be to first decide in which jurisdiction the property rests? For instance project the boundary of jurisdictions into space from the geometrical center of the earth. In which case it would probably be Brazil that should be collecting the taxes and

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Trei, Peter
> -- > From: Ray Dillinger[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:36 PM > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites) > > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote: > > >"The property in question here is geo

Re: Meatspace anonymity manual

2001-07-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:30:42PM -0400, Faustine wrote: > Fine. So how much anonymity do you anticipate having after the feds squirt > a little of some new "nonlethal" substance straight down the middle of the > thing and your vinegar hankies just aren't up to it? Go ahead, rack Right. That'

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Trei, Peter
> -- > From: Trei, Peter > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 3:05 PM > To: 'Ray Dillinger' > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites) > > > > > -- > > From: Ray Dillinger[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesd

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Trei, Peter
> -- > From: Trei, Peter > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 3:05 PM > To: 'Ray Dillinger' > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites) > > > > > -- > > From: Ray Dillinger[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Phillip H. Zakas
you know one of the things i'd like to do is go into the waste removal business in orbit. lots of junk up there...would like to launch a satellite with a long finger attached to it and poke stuff out of orbit. the "nudge". who'd pay? it would be quite an unfornate event if a satellite were mis

Re: Meatspace

2001-07-10 Thread A. Melon
Faustine FUDed: >And IMHO the best way to achieve anonymity in meatspace? A great place to >start would be by not deliberately engaging in "possibly illegal operations >on the street in an environment full of police". You're doomed before you >ever get started. But I could be wrong. Don't say I

Re: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
Kalifornica charges property taxes on live-aboard boats which haven't been in their waters or registered in their state for years -- or tries to, on the basis that the owner *used* to live there, even if his current residence if elsewhere. Or so people on the boating lists complain. -- Harmon

No Subject

2001-07-10 Thread A. Melon
I've some friends who have, for a long time, complained about being surveilled, specifically phone tapped and/or house bugged. At first I thought it was just paranoia, but recent events have made me think otherwise. i One thing that happens almost invariably is that when groups meet at the

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freq meter vs. spectrum analyzer for sweeping

2001-07-10 Thread Dynamite Bob
Some Melon wrote: > We borrowed a frequency meter, and went around the house with it, but are unsure how to use it effectively. It doesn't have a signal strength meter, so I'm thinking that if a bug is broad- casting the meter should just stick on that frequency?< You mean frequency counter.

Re: Meatspace,

2001-07-10 Thread Faustine
somebody behind a remailer wrote: >And IMHO the best way to achieve anonymity in meatspace? A great place to >start would be by not deliberately engaging in "possibly illegal operations >on the street in an environment full of police". You're doomed before you >ever get started. But I could be

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Re: Meatspace,

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote: > Can you see a fundamental difference between activism/protest/resistance > that makes a difference and "illegal operations on the street in an > environment full of police"? > > What's the point of putting yourself into a situation where you have no > c

Re: Meatspace,

2001-07-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:22:12PM -0400, Faustine wrote: > Who's more likely to make a difference at the WTO: a) someone outside, > throwing golf balls at the building b) someone inside, presenting > compelling arguments to the assembly and individual delegates Of those two choices, probably t

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Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Adam Back
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Re: Meatspace,

2001-07-10 Thread Faustine
Jim wrote: >Ghandi. Womens Sufferage (US). Jim Crow Laws (US). Vietnam. Civil Rights >in the 60's. >The point being, there are plenty of historical precidence where this sort >of behaviour has led directly to the change desired by the protestors >against a much better armed and entrenched foe. I

Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Anonymous
Tim May wrote: > I will say that there is no country out there that seems to be > beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement, pace the points we discuss > so often about drug warriors, freezing of accounts, extradition, > etc. Even Yugoslavia has just bowed to U.S. financing pressures > (sending Mi

Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Adam Back wrote: > I was thinking online obscurity (nyms, pseudonymous web pages etc) coupled > with a low tax jurisdiction like Anguilla wouldn't be one interesting > combination. > > But there are plenty of disadvantages too -- limited amenities - shops, > computer parts,

Re: Meatspace,

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote: > Jim wrote: > > >Ghandi. Womens Sufferage (US). Jim Crow Laws (US). Vietnam. Civil Rights > >in the 60's. > >The point being, there are plenty of historical precidence where this sort > >of behaviour has led directly to the change desired by the protestors

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Peter Trei wrote: > Expatriate US citizens have to pay > income tax on foreign earned income > to the US...If you don't pay up, > they might not be able to extradite > you if you're now a foreigner, but > they'll go after your assets in the > US, or arrest you if you set foot > on US soil. > > (1

Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Tim May
At 7:59 PM -0400 7/10/01, Adam Back wrote: >I was thinking online obscurity (nyms, pseudonymous web pages etc) coupled >with a low tax jurisdiction like Anguilla wouldn't be one interesting >combination. > >But there are plenty of disadvantages too -- limited amenities - shops, >computer parts, th

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Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Jim Choate wrote: >Seems to me the only answer is to keep moving, don't settle in any one >country (or store your possessions in any one jurisdiction) for a lengthy >stay. A couple of years max. Um, no. A couple of years would have been fine a decade ago, but these days

Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 06:33 PM 7/10/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: >These little Carribean potentates are far, far, far worse than what we >face in the U.S. The sad truth is that if you're a gun owner and like to have variety in what you collect, no "western democracy" is going to be a better fit than the U.S. Even so

Re: Satellite taxes

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>Um, wouldn't a natural way to assess property taxes be to first decide >in which jurisdiction the property rests? For instance project the One of the points that L.A. County is using to assess these taxes is that it is property that owned by a (to them) local corporation that *isn't* i

Re: Dropping out of the USA

2001-07-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:50:46PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: > descendants. Basically, you're allowed to piss them off a > little, and they still need some kind of excuse to arrest > you. But once you've pissed them off, any excuse will do, > even (as Bell's case teaches us) the legal exe

Re: Condit cracks

2001-07-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
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Re: Meatspace,

2001-07-10 Thread petro
>Nonsense, that's not what I said at all. I raised some serious issues--and >all ad-hominem attacks aside, here are a few more for anyone who feels up >for it: > >Can you see a fundamental difference between activism/protest/resistance >that makes a difference and "illegal operations on the stree

RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Windle
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:05:44 Phillip H. Zakas wrote: > > >you know one of the things i'd like to do is go into the waste removal >business in orbit. lots of junk up there...would like to launch a satellite >with a long finger attached to it and poke stuff out of orbit. the "nudge". >who'd pay?