Re: British Authorities May Get Wide Power to Decode E-Mail

Bill Stewart wrote: > >From: "Esteban Gutierrez-Moguel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> a solution that problem could be a cipher where a key (K1) decrypts the > >> ciphertext to the real text and a key (K2) decrypts the ciphertext to a > >> meaningful text, but not the real one. In that way if the polic

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John Bronson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >The >FBI is under so much scrutiny that it would be career suicide for an agent >to misuse it. You need to be introduced to the concept of a "disposable agent". >Add to that the fact that the configuration of the thing is >recorded as evidence and public

Re: British Authorities May Get Wide Power to Decode E-Mail

X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tom Vogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > how about actually encrypting two texts, in such a way that they combine > into one ciphertext, and depending on which key you choose, one or the > other gets decrypted from that. I think the main problem is laziness; the user would have

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Sunder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fucking government troll! Does anyone else think it's odd that Agent > Bronson here is coming from rocketmail.com, yet it seems yahoo > automatically put a signature for yahoo mail on the end? Yahoo bought rocketmail some time ago. I know

Protected speech

Someone mentioned "encrypting" a text as speech. I have just found this address: http://www.scramdisk.clara.net/play/playmaker.html Mark --- All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any pur

Re: CDR: Re: Re: cryptome.org?

John Young wrote: > > We've been trying to get into the site to do just that, but haven't > been able to. The munged URL is weird. back-to-back URLs, > but we were told how to set that up as a page which would bring > up the correct info or direct to it. Yeah, it only takes on fuckup to mess th

Re: Carnivore

On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 08:40:32AM -0400, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Cringeley had a good point. Properly deployed, Carnivore can shut down the net. I love a government conspiracy theory as much as the next cypherpunk, but there's too many technical holes in this one to ignore it. First off, as

Re: Jim Und Dave?

At 12:32 AM 7/25/00 -0400, Kevin Elliott wrote: >were unconstitutional. Another way of putting this would be for the >government to outlaw brushing ones teeth. Simple. Outlaw possession of toothbrushes. Intercept at customs. Teach children in public schools that clean teeth are bad. Make t

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail ^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > Fucking government troll! Does anyone else think it's odd that Agent > Bronson here is coming from rocketmail.com, yet it seems yahoo > automatically put a signature for yahoo mail on

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

-- t 01:58 AM 7/25/2000 -0400, John Bronson wrote: > Just watched this hearing. I just subscribed to this list, so while > I don't want to piss anyone off, I question what seems to be a > knee-jerk reaction against Carnivore. In theory, I positively agree > with the need for such a tool.

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> t 01:58 AM 7/25/2000 -0400, John Bronson wrote: > > Just watched this hearing. I just subscribed to this list, so while > > I don't want to piss anyone off, I question what seems to be a > > knee-jerk reaction against Carnivore. In theory, I positively agree > > with the need for such a tool

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

>The 3rd amendment argument is a losing argument. The purpose of that >amendment is to prevent repeating something that happened during the >Revolutionary War. It pertains to soldiers shacking up in civilian's >houses, not to a civilian law-enforcement organization hooking a computer >up to your I

caymen govt bends over for Fedz

Cayman Islands passes anti-money-laundering laws Updated 12:33 PM ET July 25, 2000 GEORGE TOWN, Cayman Islands (Reuters) - The Cayman Islands government has passed four anti-money-laundering bills in an effort to confront critical scrutiny by internati

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

-- At 11:58 AM 7/25/2000 -0400, Agent Bronson wrote > The 3rd amendment argument is a losing argument. The purpose of that > amendment is to prevent repeating something that happened during the > Revolutionary War. It pertains to soldiers shacking up in civilian's > houses, not to a civil

Re: ZKS: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 07/23/00 at 10:25 PM, Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> So WTF is going on? >> >> You say you received it, which list node are you subscribed to? Did >> anyone else receive it? > Ah, maybe only openpgp.net is getting th

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> >The 3rd amendment argument is a losing argument. The purpose of that > >amendment is to prevent repeating something that happened during the > >Revolutionary War. It pertains to soldiers shacking up in civilian's > >houses, not to a civilian law-enforcement organization hooking a > computer > >

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> > I don't know the specific laws, but this is something the spooks > > have always done anyway. Like Donald Kerr said (if FBI spooks like > > him and me can be trusted), the FBI routinely orders ISPs to do this > > surveillance themselves anyway, when the ISP has the resources to do > > it.

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Nomen Nescio wrote: > Cringeley had a good point. Properly deployed, Carnivore can shut down the net. > the *US* part of the net. while this would, due to certain archaic us-centric structures, do immense damage to the non-us part of the web, I'm more than certain that the remainder would survi

Re: British Authorities May Get Wide Power to Decode E-Mail

Marcel Popescu wrote: > > how about actually encrypting two texts, in such a way that they combine > > into one ciphertext, and depending on which key you choose, one or the > > other gets decrypted from that. > > I think the main problem is laziness; the user would have to find a suitable > "inn

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> Amendment III > No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the > consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed > by law. > > Carnivore is not a soldier. Carnivore is a computer. It just doesn't > apply. Besides, even if the 3rd amendment di

Re: Choate proposing Dropping toad.com

In , on 07/24/00 at 03:07 PM, Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >We should honor his request and, as a side effect, get rid of all of the >unclued >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > types of "suscrivers." >Good riddance. I agree 110%. I do not pull toad.com for my openpgp.net node but still get the t

Wired News : FBI Gives a Little on Carnivore

A note from x: Interesting. From Wired News, available online at: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,37765,00.html FBI Gives a Little on Carnivore by Declan McCullagh 9:35 a.m. Jul. 25, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- The FBI s

Re: Wired News : FBI Gives a Little on Carnivore

At 1:32 PM -0400 7/25/00, x wrote: > > From Wired News, available online at: >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,37765,00.html > >FBI Gives a Little on Carnivore >by Declan McCullagh > >9:35 a.m. Jul. 25, 2000 PDT >WASHINGTON -- The FBI says it will conduct a privacy audit of a >controversi

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

At 12:29 PM -0400 7/25/00, Agent Bronson wrote: > >I don't know about your local cops, but mine are definately not capable of >protecting me from this kind of stuff. Someone recently posted that >"Terrorism is the future of warfare." That's _very_ spooky, especially if >we are morally ambiguous en

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> >I don't know about your local cops, but mine are definately not capable > of > >protecting me from this kind of stuff. Someone recently posted that > >"Terrorism is the future of warfare." That's _very_ spooky, especially > if > >we are morally ambiguous enough to condone terrorism as a form of

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> > The 3rd amendment argument is a losing argument. The purpose of that > > amendment is to prevent repeating something that happened during the > > Revolutionary War. It pertains to soldiers shacking up in civilian's > > houses, not to a civilian law-enforcement organization hooking a > computer

RE: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> -- > From: Agent Bronson[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Yes, but that doesn't make it legal. Hey, they've done black bag jobs > > too, and got caught. See Watergate. > > These are abuses that got exposed. But the threat of abuse is a poor > reason to leave the FBI helples

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

At 03:11 PM 7/25/00 -0400, Agent Bronson wrote: >I still say it's a moral failure to allow terrorism to be accepted as >warfare and foolishness not to protect our land from it. Those land mines along the .mx border really have the latino votes pissed off... A freedom fighter is just a terrorist

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> > > > Yes, the 3rd ammendment isn't really about the soldiers spying on you, > > it's about them eating up your resources. But a box at an ISP sniffing > > traffic IS eating up the ISP's resources. In the least it's eating up > > electricity and bandwith to report back and be controlled. > >

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Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

At 13:12 -0400 7/25/00, Me wrote: >are you saying that the 3rd amendment grants congress the power >to make law for hte quartering of troops in private homes outside >of war? My read is that they can make allow allowing quartering but only in times of war. -- Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott

Re: Jim Und Dave?

At 11:38 -0400 7/25/00, David Honig wrote: >At 12:32 AM 7/25/00 -0400, Kevin Elliott wrote: >>were unconstitutional. Another way of putting this would be for the >>government to outlaw brushing ones teeth. > >Simple. Outlaw possession of toothbrushes. Intercept at customs. >Teach children in pu

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

John Bronson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First, I hope it's understood that I'm undecided whether I'm for carnivore > or against it. The more I read on this list, though, the more I agree with > you guys. Some of arguments against it are unfounded though, like this 3rd > amendment thing. >

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

> > > Yes, the 3rd ammendment isn't really about the soldiers spying on > you, > > > it's about them eating up your resources. But a box at an ISP > sniffing > > > traffic IS eating up the ISP's resources. In the least it's eating > up > > > electricity and bandwith to report back and be control

RE: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

At 12:06 AM -0400 7/26/00, Ernest Hua wrote: > > > > are you saying that the 3rd amendment grants congress the power >> > > to make law for hte quartering of troops in private homes outside >> > > of war? >> > >> > My read is that they can make allow allowing quartering but only in >> > time

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

At 12:29 PM 25/07/00 -0400, Agent Bronson wrote: >At 12:14 PM 25/07/00 -0400, James A. Donald wrote: >> The US got along fine without ANY equivalent of the FBI through most of >> its >> history. > >That's very true. But we have future Oklahoma Cities to contend with now. >Remember the y2k